<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Dream of the Red Chamber]]></title><description><![CDATA[A full and deep translation of Dream of the Red Chamber, including an extensive commentary.]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png</url><title>Dream of the Red Chamber</title><link>https://www.redchamber.blog</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2026 07:31:07 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://www.redchamber.blog/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[redchamber@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[redchamber@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[redchamber@substack.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[redchamber@substack.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[Xiren’s House]]></title><description><![CDATA[Jia Baoyu&#8217;s sudden visit]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/xirens-house</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/xirens-house</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2026 11:14:10 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!t5qD!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88f0466b-9293-4f53-be56-134b4761a5ce_1540x1268.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Xiren&#8217;s House</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>Today Jia Baoyu decides to visit Xiren&#8217;s house on the spur of the moment.  The interaction between Hua Xiren and Jia Baoyu here is very interesting.</p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>My Translation</strong></h2>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Naughty Bits]]></title><description><![CDATA[Sex in Dream of the Red Chamber]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-naughty-bits</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-naughty-bits</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2026 09:58:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mdrS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe7a8a169-a062-4f8b-ab19-539ae3f8dde2_640x480.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>The Naughty Bits</h1><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>Chances are that you&#8217;re pretty surprised by the blatant sexuality in <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>.</p><p>We saw a bit of it in yesterday&#8217;s translation post, where Jia Baoyu&#8217;s servant Mingyan was caught with a somewhat anonymous girl named Wang&#8217;er:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;9e66058b-a424-40b1-9db7-8f9b40e7ae35&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Mingyan Gets It On&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Mingyan Gets It On&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; 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Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><blockquote><p>&#21083;&#21040;&#31383;&#21069;&#65292;&#32893;&#35211;&#23627;&#35041;&#19968;&#29255;&#21912;&#24687;&#20043;&#32882;&#12290;&#23542;&#29577;&#20498;&#21804;&#20102;&#19968;&#36339;&#65292;&#24515;&#24819;&#65306;&#12300;&#32654;&#20154;&#27963;&#20102;&#19981;&#25104;&#65311;&#12301;&#20035;&#22823;&#33879;&#33213;&#23376;&#65292;&#33300;&#30772;&#31383;&#32025;&#65292;&#21521;&#20839;&#19968;&#30475;&#12290;&#37027;&#36600;&#32654;&#20154;&#21371;&#19981;&#26366;&#27963;&#65292;&#21371;&#26159;&#33559;&#29017;&#25353;&#33879;&#20491;&#22899;&#23401;&#23376;&#65292;&#20063;&#24185;&#37027;&#35686;&#24187;&#25152;&#35347;&#20043;&#20107;&#65292;&#27491;&#22312;&#24471;&#36259;&#65292;&#25925;&#27492;&#21627;&#21535;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>He had just reached the window when he heard heavy breathing coming from the room. &#8220;Has the beautiful woman truly come to life?&#8221; thought Baoyu in amazement. Baoyu eventually worked up his courage, licked a hole in the paper of the window, and peeked inside.</p><p>It turns out that the beauty in the scroll hadn&#8217;t come to life. Instead, Baoyu saw Mingyan on top of a girl, doing the thing that the Goddess had taught Baoyu earlier. The two of them were in a deep passionate moment, and they were moaning loudly.</p></blockquote><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Me A Coffee&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen"><span>Buy Me A Coffee</span></a></p><p>This isn&#8217;t the first example of hanky-panky we&#8217;ve seen so far in <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>.  You might remember this example from the beginning of chapter 6:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;8d096aaf-b75e-4537-9aa0-90195b2ac00e&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Jia Baoyu's First Sexual Encounter&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Jia Baoyu's First Sexual Encounter&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-09-10T10:00:37.243Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G14p!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e7dbd8c-8d1f-4660-baca-87498352c739_2057x1547.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/jia-baoyus-first-sexual-encounter&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:172975397,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:5,&quot;comment_count&quot;:1,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><blockquote><p>&#35186;&#20154;&#26412;&#26159;&#20491;&#32880;&#26126;&#22899;&#23376;&#65292;&#24180;&#32000;&#21448;&#27604;&#23542;&#29577;&#22823;&#20841;&#27506;&#65292;&#36817;&#20358;&#20063;&#28472;&#30465;&#20154;&#20107;&#65292;&#20170;&#35211;&#23542;&#29577;&#22914;&#27492;&#20809;&#26223;&#65292;&#24515;&#20013;&#20415;&#35258;&#23519;&#20102;&#19968;&#21322;&#65292;&#19981;&#35258;&#25226;&#20491;&#31881;&#33225;&#32670;&#30340;&#39131;&#32005;&#12290;&#36930;&#19981;&#22909;&#20877;&#21839;&#65292;&#20173;&#33290;&#29702;&#22909;&#34915;&#35059;&#65292;&#38568;&#33267;&#36040;&#27597;&#34389;&#20358;&#12290;&#32993;&#20098;&#21507;&#36942;&#26202;&#39151;&#65292;&#36942;&#36889;&#37002;&#20358;&#65292;&#36225;&#30526;&#22902;&#23363;&#20011;&#39711;&#19981;&#22312;&#26049;&#26178;&#65292;&#21478;&#21462;&#20986;&#19968;&#20214;&#20013;&#34915;&#65292;&#33287;&#23542;&#29577;&#25563;&#19978;&#12290;</p><p>&#23542;&#29577;&#21547;&#32670;&#22830;&#21578;&#36947;&#65306;&#12300;&#22909;&#22992;&#22992;&#65292;&#21315;&#33836;&#21029;&#21578;&#35380;&#20154;&#12290;&#12301;&#35186;&#20154;&#20063;&#21547;&#33879;&#32670;&#24708;&#24708;&#30340;&#31505;&#21839;&#36947;&#65306;&#12300;&#20320;&#28858;&#20160;&#40636;&#12301;&#35498;&#21040;&#36889;&#35041;&#65292;&#25226;&#30524;&#21448;&#24448;&#22235;&#19979;&#35041;&#30631;&#20102;&#30631;&#65292;&#25165;&#21448;&#21839;&#36947;&#65306;&#12300;&#37027;&#26159;&#37027;&#35041;&#27969;&#20986;&#20358;&#30340;&#65311;&#12301;&#23542;&#29577;&#21482;&#31649;&#32005;&#33879;&#33225;&#65292;&#19981;&#35328;&#35486;&#65292;&#35186;&#20154;&#21371;&#21482;&#30597;&#33879;&#20182;&#31505;&#12290;&#36978;&#20102;&#19968;&#26371;&#65292;&#23542;&#29577;&#25165;&#25226;&#22818;&#20013;&#20043;&#20107;&#32048;&#35498;&#33287;&#35186;&#20154;&#32893;&#12290;&#35498;&#21040;&#38642;&#38632;&#31169;&#24773;&#65292;&#32670;&#30340;&#35186;&#20154;&#25513;&#38754;&#20239;&#36523;&#32780;&#31505;&#12290;&#23542;&#29577;&#20134;&#32032;&#21916;&#35186;&#20154;&#26580;&#23194;&#23011;&#20431;&#65292;&#36930;&#24375;&#25289;&#35186;&#20154;&#21516;&#38936;&#35686;&#24187;&#25152;&#31061;&#25480;&#20043;&#20107;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Now, Xiren was an intelligent girl to begin with, and was also about two years older than Baoyu. She had recently begun to learn about sexual matters. And so, seeing Baoyu in this state, she guessed what had happened. Instinctively, her cheeks quickly turned red with embarrassment.</p><p>And so she thought it would be best not to ask more. Having straightened his clothes properly, she accompanied him to see Grandmother Jia. After he had hurried through his dinner and returned to his room, she waited for a moment when the other maids were not nearby. Then, taking out a fresh pair of underwear, she helped Baoyu change into it.</p><p>&#8220;Dear sister,&#8221; Baoyu said, blushing with shame, &#8220;whatever you do, please don&#8217;t tell anyone.&#8221;</p><p>Xiren, also blushing, asked him quietly with a suppressed smile: &#8220;Why did you&#8230;&#8221; At this point, she glanced around cautiously again, and then continued: &#8220;Where did that come from?&#8221;</p><p>Baoyu simply blushed deep red and said nothing. Xiren, however, gazed at him with a smile. After a long pause, Baoyu finally told her the events of his dream in detail.</p><p>When Baoyu spoke of the sexual encounter in his dream, Xiren was so overcome with shyness that she covered her face, doubled over, and laughed.</p><p>Since Baoyu had always been fond of Xiren for her gentle, charming, and lovely nature, he then insistently shared with Xiren the secret techniques the Goddess taught him.</p></blockquote><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;PayPal Donation&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C"><span>PayPal Donation</span></a></p><p>And, of course, there are all sorts of direct and frank references to homosexuality in <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/chapter-9">chapter 9</a>:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;a32a501c-9736-40d5-9354-e223f61a79d2&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;More Homosexual Scandals&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;More Homosexual Scandals&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-12-21T11:02:43.457Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ay84!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe89f50af-907a-4d0c-81b2-6a6de7e85bcd_1099x1260.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/more-homosexual-scandals&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:182141403,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:3,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><blockquote><p>&#37329;&#27054;&#36234;&#30332;&#24471;&#20102;&#24847;&#65292;&#25622;&#38957;&#21634;&#22068;&#30340;&#65292;&#21475;&#20839;&#36996;&#35498;&#35377;&#22810;&#38290;&#35441;&#12290;&#29577;&#24859;&#20559;&#21448;&#32893;&#35211;&#65292;&#20841;&#20491;&#20154;&#38548;&#24231;&#21653;&#21653;&#21799;&#21799;&#30340;&#35282;&#36215;&#21475;&#20358;&#12290;&#37329;&#27054;&#21482;&#19968;&#21475;&#21676;&#23450;&#65292;&#35498;&#65306;&#12300;&#26041;&#25165;&#26126;&#26126;&#30340;&#25758;&#35211;&#20182;&#20841;&#20491;&#22312;&#24460;&#38498;&#35041;&#35242;&#22068;&#25720;&#23617;&#32929;&#65292;&#20841;&#20491;&#21830;&#35696;&#23450;&#20102;&#65292;&#19968;&#23565;&#19968;&#32911;&#65292;&#25733;&#33609;&#26681;&#20818;&#25277;&#38263;&#30701;&#65292;&#35504;&#38263;&#35504;&#20808;&#24185;&#65281;&#12301;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Jin Rong became more and more pleased with himself. He shook his head, clicked his tongue, and began muttering all sorts of things. Yu&#8217;ai, who happened to overhear him, started to argue with him through a series of whispers across the seats.</p><p>Jin Rong spoke loudly and confidently. &#8220;I just caught them in the courtyard,&#8221; he said. &#8220;They were kissing and grabbing each other&#8217;s bottoms. In fact, they had already agreed, and were getting ready to fuck each other. They were pulling up blades of grass to see whose stalk was longer. The one who got the longer one would go first!&#8221;</p></blockquote><p>And I could go on.</p><p>The truth is that <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em> follows the pattern set by &#37329;&#29942;&#26757;, or <em>The Plum in the Golden Vase</em>, which is clearly the most controversial of the classical Chinese novels.  <em>The Plum in the Golden Vase</em> is extremely sexually explicit, so much so that I&#8217;m not going to quote any passages here.  <em>The Plum in the Golden Vase</em> is also notorious for being likely the most banned book in the history of Chinese literature, despite the obvious fact that there is a lot of literary merit and significance to the book.</p><p><em>The Plum in the Golden Vase</em> is somewhat similar to <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_Hill">Fanny Hill</a></em>, the 18th century British erotic novel that wound up striking down obscenity laws throughout the United States and Europe in the 1960s.  See, for example, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoirs_v._Massachusetts">Memoirs v Massachusetts</a>; my understanding is that <em>Fanny Hill</em> played a similar role in numerous European court cases around the same time.</p><p>The problem, of course, is that you can&#8217;t discount <em>Fanny Hill</em> or <em>The Plum in the Golden Vase</em> as trash or lacking literary merit merely because of the sexual content.  And this is even more true of <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>, where the naked sexuality is thankfully an occasional sideshow and not the entire plot of the book.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-naughty-bits/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-naughty-bits/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Mingyan Gets It On]]></title><description><![CDATA[And Jia Baoyu discovers him]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/mingyan-gets-it-on</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/mingyan-gets-it-on</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2026 11:47:03 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fOjG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8fa71ca7-2afb-40b8-9dea-d298dbf1f0c4_1391x1285.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Mingyan Gets It On</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>Today Jia Baoyu discovers his servant Mingyan in the middle of sexual activity with a girl we haven&#8217;t met yet.</p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>My Translation</strong></h2><p>Baoyu looked around and realized that there was nobody else there. &#8220;I remember there being a small study here,&#8221; he thought to himself. &#8220;I&#8217;m pretty sure that there&#8217;s a scroll painting of a beautiful woman hanging in that room, one that looks absolutely lifelike. With all the commotion today, I&#8217;m sure that the room is empty. The beautiful woman in that painting must be feeling lonely. I ought to pay her a visit to cheer her up.&#8221; And so he went over to the room.</p><p>He had just reached the window when he heard heavy breathing coming from the room. &#8220;Has the beautiful woman truly come to life?&#8221; thought Baoyu in amazement. Baoyu eventually worked up his courage, licked a hole in the paper of the window, and peeked inside.</p><p>It turns out that the beauty in the scroll hadn&#8217;t come to life. Instead, Baoyu saw Mingyan on top of a girl, doing the thing that the Goddess had taught Baoyu earlier. The two of them were in a deep passionate moment, and they were moaning loudly.</p><p>Baoyu couldn&#8217;t stop himself from yelling. &#8220;My God!&#8221; he cried out. He kicked the door open, and the two were scared so badly that they were shaking.</p><p>When Mingyan saw Baoyu he quickly knelt down and started to beg for mercy.</p><p>&#8220;it&#8217;s the middle of the day!&#8221; exclaimed Baoyu. &#8220;What are you doing? If Jia Zhen finds out, you&#8217;re as good as dead!&#8221;</p><p>Meanwhile, Baoyu looked at the girl. She was fair and clean, and had something appealing about her. She stood there with her head down, blushing red to her ears, saying nothing.</p><p>&#8220;Get out of here!&#8221; shouted Baoyu, stamping his foot. That snapped her out of her trance, and she ran off as quickly as she could. Baoyu chased after her, calling out, &#8220;Don&#8217;t be scared! I won&#8217;t tell anyone!&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;Geez!&#8221; came Mingyan&#8217;s frantic voice from behind him. &#8220;Now you&#8217;ve basically told everybody!&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;How old is she?&#8221; asked Baoyu as he turned to Mingyan.</p><p>&#8220;She&#8217;s about sixteen or seventeen&#8221; came Mingyan&#8217;s reply.</p><p>&#8220;You didn&#8217;t even ask her age before doing this?&#8221; asked Baoyu incredulously. &#8220;You just went straight into the act! She sure wasted her time getting to know you! Poor thing, poor thing!&#8221; He turned and asked Mingyan another question. &#8220;What&#8217;s her name?&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;There&#8217;s a long story behind this,&#8221; said Mingyan with a grin, &#8220;and it&#8217;s a strange story at that. She said that when her mom was giving birth to her, she had a dream in which she received a bolt of brocade with a five-color endless &#8216;good fortune&#8217; pattern. And so her name is &#8216;Wan&#8217;er.&#8217;&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;Well, she must have good fortune coming her way!&#8221; Baoyu replied with a laugh. &#8220;I&#8217;ll put in a good word for you tomorrow and will get her for you as a wife; how does that sound?&#8221;</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/mingyan-gets-it-on/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/mingyan-gets-it-on/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>Translation Critique</strong></h2><p><strong>Hawkes</strong></p><p>Hawkes has Mingyan state that the girl was &#8220;not more than fifteen or so.&#8221; The Chinese states &#19981;&#36942;&#21313;&#20845;&#19971;&#20102;, which translates to 16 or 17.</p><p>Hawkes has Wan&#8217;er&#8217;s mother give her the name &#8220;Swastika&#8221; because of the pattern. &#8220;Swastika,&#8221; of course, is kind of a strange name to give a girl, whereas &#33836;&#20818; (Wan&#8217;er) is at least plausible.</p><p><strong>Yang</strong></p><p>The Yangs stick with &#8220;sixteen or seventeen&#8221; as stated in the Chinese original. 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His target was his maid, Hua Xiren:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;ffe665e7-2a15-4ece-99ab-6037e9e7a491&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Jia Baoyu's First Sexual Encounter&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Jia Baoyu's First Sexual Encounter&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-09-10T10:00:37.243Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G14p!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e7dbd8c-8d1f-4660-baca-87498352c739_2057x1547.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/jia-baoyus-first-sexual-encounter&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:172975397,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:5,&quot;comment_count&quot;:1,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>Jia Baoyu exclaims &#8220;&#20102;&#19981;&#24471;!&#8221; which probably translates best as something like &#8220;This is too much!&#8221; or &#8220;What a disaster!&#8221; It&#8217;s an exclamation filled with somewhat mild panic.</p><p>&#21804;&#30340;&#25238;&#34915;&#32780;&#39019; literally means that the two were so scared that they shook all over, so much that even their clothes were trembling.</p><p>&#21325; (w&#224;n) is a Buddhist symbol that was originally intended to convey good fortune or well-being. It was eventually taken over by the Nazi party in Germany.</p><p>The name &#33836;&#20818; (Wan&#8217;er) is a play on words. &#33836; means ten thousand and conveys the idea of ten thousand blessings or endless wealth or something like that. Plus, it is pronounced the same as the character &#21325;.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/mingyan-gets-it-on/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/mingyan-gets-it-on/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Pinyin]]></title><description><![CDATA[A look at life before Pinyin]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/pinyin</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/pinyin</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2026 10:03:23 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/youtube/w_728,c_limit/31XKTx2foT0" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Pinyin</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>It&#8217;s kind of hard to believe these days, but there was once a time when using Pinyin to write romanized Chinese was almost like a political statement.</p><p>In fact, Pinyin was so fraught with controversy that even Gladys Yang&#8217;s <em>A Dream of Red Mansions</em> used the old Wade-Giles convention.</p><p>Wade-Giles, of course, is pretty confusing, especially if the person writing the article or translation or book or whatever it is neglects to use the apostrophes.  And, well, it turns out that the Yangs didn&#8217;t bother to worry too much about apostrophes in their translation of <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>:</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Me A Coffee&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen"><span>Buy Me A Coffee</span></a></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ywmA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8bc4ba5c-1b16-4b05-b39f-e4d495be6be3_1092x568.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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And, of course, back in the 1970s Pinyin wasn&#8217;t really understood all that well, prompting Hawkes to include notes like this in the beginning of many of the volumes of <em>The Story of the Stone</em>:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Oa1m!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd4df5606-78bc-45d9-835b-0dd4eea8c72c_969x734.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Oa1m!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd4df5606-78bc-45d9-835b-0dd4eea8c72c_969x734.png 424w, 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My favorite example of this is <em>The Cambridge History of China</em>.  The history is fantastic, but the romanization leaves a lot to be desired:</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;PayPal Donation&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C"><span>PayPal Donation</span></a></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7jAs!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff34810a2-7fba-48ad-8c46-72bc4b6c8cdd_924x545.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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But still, you get the feeling with Wade-Giles that every single word starts with a t or ch or tz or ts, and the apostrophes are just annoying after a while.</p><p>Anyway, all this and more is the topic of my latest video:</p><div id="youtube2-31XKTx2foT0" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;31XKTx2foT0&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/31XKTx2foT0?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>All I can say is that I&#8217;m happy to have Pinyin.  The alternative is anything but pretty.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/pinyin/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/pinyin/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Loud Plays]]></title><description><![CDATA[Jia Baoyu sneaks away]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-loud-plays</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-loud-plays</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2026 23:52:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oJ92!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffbbbcaf4-6e67-45ac-8fa8-b8c67d86f159_1555x1275.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>The Loud Plays</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>We&#8217;re back to more literary references. Fortunately, these are a little bit easier than the ones we previously saw.</p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>My Translation</strong></h2><p>The visit had complete exhausted the staff of both the Ning and Rong mansions. Every single person was completely worn out, both physically and mentally. It then took another two or three days just to pack away all the display items and other things that they had set up in the garden.</p><p>Wang Xifeng was clearly the busiest out of all. She had many important duties that overwhelmed her. The others could slip away to someplace quiet for a moment or two, but Wang Xifeng simply could not get away. Besides, she was driven by her naturally competitive spirit. She couldn&#8217;t bear to give anybody a chance to criticize her, and so she forced herself to keep going, doing her best to look like nothing was wrong.</p><p>Jia Baoyu, on the other hand, was clearly the most idle and carefree out of everybody. And it just so happened that on this particular morning Hua Xiren&#8217;s mother came in person to see Grandmother Jia. Xiren&#8217;s mother told Grandmother Jia that she was taking her daughter home for New Year&#8217;s tea, and that she wouldn&#8217;t bring her back until that evening.</p><p>And so Baoyu was left to amuse himself with the maids by playing a board game. Just as he was starting to lose interest in this game, a maid came into his room to report: &#8220;Jia Zhen has sent somebody to invite you over to watch the opera and see the lanterns set out.&#8221;</p><p>Baoyu ordered the maids to help him change clothes. He was just about to leave when a gift suddenly arrived from Jia Yuanchun. This was sugar-steamed sweet milk curd. Baoyu remembered that Xiren had enjoyed this treat the last time they had it, so he ordered that it be set aside for her. Then he reported to Grandmother Jia and went to watch the opera.</p><p>Who would have thought that the plays Jia Zhen staged were <em>Ding Lang Recognizes His Father</em> and <em>Huang Boyang Lays Out the Great Formation of Ghostly Souls</em>? There was also <em>Sun Wukong Wreaks Havoc in the Heavenly Palace</em> and <em>Jiang Taigong Slays the Generals and Invests the Gods</em>. In an instant, gods and demons came swarming out; the next moment, every fiend and monster were fully revealed. And throughout all of this were processions bearing ceremonial banners and passing before the altars, as well as devotees chanting the Buddha&#8217;s name and carrying incense. The clash of gongs and drums and all the shouting was so loud that it could be heard across the lanes outside the complex. The men, all the cousins, nephews, and brothers, toasted and made pledges to each other. The women, including sisters, maids, and concubines, laughed and chatted together.</p><p>Baoyu, however, decided to wander off to amuse himself after seeing that the splendor and excitement had reached such an intolerable level. He first slipped inside to fool around for awhile with Lady You and her maids and concubines. He then exited through the inner gate.</p><p>Lady You and the others assumed that he had gone back to watch the opera, and so nobody paid much attention to him. Jia Zhen, Jia Lian, Xue Pan, and the rest were entirely absorbed in guessing riddles and drinking games, and were enjoying themselves to the fullest. Even if they noticed Baoyu hadn&#8217;t been in his seat for a while, they assumed that he had gone off somewhere inside and thought nothing of it.</p><p>As far as Baoyu&#8217;s male attendants were concerned, the older ones knew that he wouldn&#8217;t leave this sort of affair until evening, and so they took the chance to slip away. Some went off to gamble, and others went to visit relatives or friends, drinking and betting, each drifting off on his own with plans to return that night. The younger ones, meanwhile, had all squeezed into the backstage area to watch all the excitement.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-loud-plays/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-loud-plays/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>Translation Critique</strong></h2><p><strong>Hawkes</strong></p><p>Hawkes makes a few small rhetorical changes to the beginning of this section. In Chinese it talks about how Wang Xifeng was the busiest of them all, calling her &#8220;&#31532;&#19968;&#20491;&#8221; (i.e. the busiest of all). Hawkes instead talks about how &#8220;Xi-Feng forced herself to supervise the taking down and storing away of all the decorations&#8221; and so forth, putting Wang Xifeng in as an integral part of everything happening. It&#8217;s not inaccurate, but it&#8217;s also not exactly the same as the original.</p><p>Hawkes calls the somewhat awkwardly explained board game (&#25842;&#39600;&#23376;&#36245;&#22285;&#26827;, or &#8220;the throwing dice Go board game&#8221;) as &#8220;Racing Go,&#8221; explaining that &#8220;this was a game in which you moved your Go-piece across the board in accordance with the throw of dice, the object being to reach the opposite side before everyone else and pocket all the stakes.&#8221;</p><p>Hawkes translates the drink from Jia Yuanchun as &#8220;koumiss.&#8221; <em>Koumiss</em> is a kind of fermented drink made from the milk of a mare, and is common among people in the Centra Asian steppes. The name seems to come from the Russian word &#1082;&#1091;&#1084;&#1099;&#769;&#1089;, and probably originally was from an ancient Turkic language.</p><p><strong>Yang</strong></p><p>The Yangs translate the mysterious game as &#8220;dice or draughts.&#8221; <em>Draughts</em> is actually an alternative name for the game checkers, and seems to be common in the United Kingdom.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Me A Coffee&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen"><span>Buy Me A Coffee</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>Chinese Text</strong></h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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Basically, this means that nobody among those who were busy was as busy as Wang Xifeng. Similarly, nobody among those who were lazy was as lazy as Jia Baoyu.</p><p>&#25166;&#25497; means to move on with difficulty or to barely be able to physically support oneself. Wang Xifeng is described as just barely being able to handle her many duties, as if the magnitude of her tasks were taking a very literal physical toll on her.</p><p>&#24180;&#33590;, or the &#8220;New Year tea,&#8221; was a ritual that was part of the Lantern Festival observances.</p><p>&#25842;&#39600;&#23376;&#36245;&#22285;&#26827; is a description of a dice based board game using Weiqi (or &#8220;Go,&#8221; &#22285;&#26827;) chess pieces.</p><p>The four operas were all loud and percussion driven plays, and served a big contrast to the more refined plays that the family had performed for Jia Yuanchun during her visit.</p><p>&#19969;&#37070;&#35469;&#29238;, or Ding Lang Recognizes His Father, was a melodrama set in the Ming dynasty. It features a young man whose family is destroyed by a corrupt politician. He grows up and identifies his father, who had long since been exiled, by means of a broken mirror token that his mother had given him when he was young. Actually, this play includes no gods or demons at all, and seems to be the odd one out in this list.</p><p>&#40643;&#20271;&#22830;&#22823;&#25850;&#38512;&#39746;&#38499;, or Huang Boyang Lays Out the Great Formation of Ghostly Souls, told the story of a military master who traps a rival in a soul-snatching illusion. Cao Xueqin&#8217;s naming here has a few problems; the actual play seems to have been called &#36855;&#39746;&#38499;, or The Bewildering Soul Formation.</p><p>&#23403;&#34892;&#32773;&#22823;&#39719;&#22825;&#23470;, or Sun Wukong Wreaks Havoc in the Heavenly Palace, comes straight from chapters 3 through 7 of Journey to the West (&#35199;&#36938;&#35352;). Sun Wukong rebels, names himself the Great Sage Equal to Heaven, and storms the celestial palace.</p><p>&#23004;&#22826;&#20844;&#26028;&#23559;&#23553;&#31070;, or Jiang Taigong Slays the Generals and Invests the Gods, tells the story of how the Grand Duke Jiang slayed his opposing generals in battle. Then he canonizes the dead, both allies and enemies, as Gods of the Chinese pantheon.</p><p>The point Cao Xueqin seems to be making here is that this sort of entertainment is a much better reflection of the actual interests of the Jia family. These are all loud and vulgar plays, sort of like the equivalent of watching action movies in the White House.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-loud-plays/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-loud-plays/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Coming Disaster]]></title><description><![CDATA[Why yesterday&#8217;s short post is important]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-coming-disaster</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-coming-disaster</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 11:45:59 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>The Coming Disaster</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>Cao Xueqin has an odd habit of trying to draw no attention at all to some of his most significant passages.</p><p>We saw one yesterday, though you probably didn&#8217;t realize it at the time:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;08c3037d-23bd-45b4-9ab1-58c16894631e&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;The Night Filled With Tender Feelings&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The Night Filled With Tender Feelings&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-09-23T11:10:25.644Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ac2s!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd9a898b2-0d38-425d-a837-1ed7d984e75b_337x1282.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-night-filled-with-tender-feelings&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:217055587,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:1,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>The issue here comes in this part, where the Emperor rewards the Jia family for taking such good care of Jia Yuanchun:</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Me A Coffee&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen"><span>Buy Me A Coffee</span></a></p><p>&#40845;&#38991;&#29978;&#24709;&#65292;&#21448;&#30332;&#20839;&#24081;&#32181;&#32222;&#37329;&#37504;&#31561;&#29289;&#65292;&#20197;&#36060;&#36040;&#25919;&#21450;&#21508;&#26898;&#25151;&#31561;&#21729;</p><p>The Emperor was extremely pleased. He sent gifts of silks, brocades, gold, silver, and so on from his personal treasury to reward Jia Zheng and the various members of Jia Yuanchun&#8217;s family.</p><p>So what&#8217;s the problem with this?</p><p>The problem lies in the concept of a &#20839;&#24081;, or the Empror&#8217;s own personal purse.</p><p>Now, this might strike you as a more intimate act of grace, as if he were trying to tie himself closer to the Jia family.  And I can see how members of the Jia family would also interpret things this way.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;PayPal Donation&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C"><span>PayPal Donation</span></a></p><p>However, by avoiding using the state funds (probably something like &#22283;&#24235;), the Emperor is basically making the Jia family subservient to his own whims.  The Jia family is quickly turning into a family that is entirely dependent on the grace and favor of the current reigning Emperor, which is extremely dangerous.</p><p>This is dangerous because there was a concept at the time of collective guilt.  In other words, if anything were to happen to Jia Yuanchun for any reason, her entire family would be at risk because of this personal patronage.</p><p>As I&#8217;ve noted before, this really points at the fundamental issue that the Jia family faces.  Since none of the males in the family have successfully passed the imperial exams, the family has no way to guarantee that it can continue the way of life it has been accustomed to.  And, if Jia Baoyu continues to not take the imperial examinations seriously, disaster is indeed inevitable.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-coming-disaster/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-coming-disaster/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Night Filled With Tender Feelings]]></title><description><![CDATA[Chapter 19 Starts]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-night-filled-with-tender-feelings</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-night-filled-with-tender-feelings</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2026 11:10:25 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ac2s!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd9a898b2-0d38-425d-a837-1ed7d984e75b_337x1282.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>The Night Filled With Tender Feelings</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-night-filled-with-tender-feelings/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-night-filled-with-tender-feelings/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p>You&#8217;ll probably wonder why today&#8217;s post is so short. There&#8217;s a reason why I wanted to keep this post short. While it seems like nothing is going on here, this is actually a very important passage for the overall story. More tomorrow.</p><h2><strong>My Translation</strong></h2>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Where We’re Going With This]]></title><description><![CDATA[A quick look into the future]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/where-were-going-with-this</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/where-were-going-with-this</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2026 11:40:46 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where We&#8217;re Going With This</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>Instead of looking back at where we&#8217;ve been, I wanted to give you a sneak picture of where <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em> is going from here.</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[More On Gifts]]></title><description><![CDATA[A few thoughts on the gifts]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/more-on-gifts</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/more-on-gifts</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2026 00:46:44 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/216661014/2c6471a4e6e42ce68fccf1b34d707b84.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>More On Gifts</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>Here&#8217;s a quick recording with some scattered thoughts on yesterday&#8217;s post.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/more-on-gifts/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/more-on-gifts/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Gifts]]></title><description><![CDATA[An insight into traditional Chinese culture]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-gifts</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-gifts</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2026 10:30:01 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!S0bc!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F25955542-db44-40b1-935b-00cae8ff70b2_519x1270.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>The Gifts</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>While this is simply a list of gifts that Jia Yuanchun gave to her family and the household in general, there&#8217;s a lot that we can learn from this section.</p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>My Translation</strong></h2>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Suggestions?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Any ideas for the blog?]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/suggestions</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/suggestions</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2026 11:48:53 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Suggestions?</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>Every once in a while I get recommendations and ideas from readers.</p><p>I figured I&#8217;d make a public page today soliciting ideas and requests.  This is particularly helpful for the future of this blog, and also helps me out of a tight jam on a morning when I&#8217;m running behind.</p><p>Please let me know in the comments how you think the project can be improved.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/suggestions/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/suggestions/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Lingguan The Star Actress]]></title><description><![CDATA[Another deeply symbolic scene]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/lingguan-the-star-actress</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/lingguan-the-star-actress</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2026 10:23:47 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!04h3!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc706da53-e063-464a-a529-10259c098dd0_941x1278.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Lingguan The Star Actress</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>This is yet another passage that seems shallow at first glance, but is actually very deep. Let&#8217;s dig in.</p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>My Translation</strong></h2>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Dream of the Red Chamber Edition Guide]]></title><description><![CDATA[A quick reference for all students]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/dream-of-the-red-chamber-edition</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/dream-of-the-red-chamber-edition</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 10:16:55 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/youtube/w_728,c_limit/zC_dyeDot8I" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Dream of the Red Chamber Edition Guide</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>You might remember the video I came out with the other day:</p><div id="youtube2-zC_dyeDot8I" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;zC_dyeDot8I&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/zC_dyeDot8I?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>If you haven&#8217;t seen it yet, go check it out.</p><p>Anyway, I originally wanted Monday&#8217;s post to be a full guide to the various editions of <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em> that are out there.  However, I wound up spending more time doing research on those editions than actually piecing together a post.</p><p>To make up for that, I&#8217;ll just make today&#8217;s post the edition guide.  Here are the raw notes that I took while piecing together the video, complete with a few comments about where these editions come from.</p><p>I&#8217;m putting this out for free for all of you who are curious students of this book.  It can take quite a bit of time to piece all of this together, especially since almost all the information out there is in Chinese.  The names of these manuscripts and variations are also difficult to piece together even if your native language is Chinese.</p><p>Anyway, here goes:</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Me A Coffee&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen"><span>Buy Me A Coffee</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h2>Manuscripts</h2><p>This includes all handwritten copies of <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>.  Most of these include commentary in red, which is the famous &#33026;&#30831;&#40779; (Zhiyanzhai, or red inkstone) commentary.  None of these are original manuscripts; they are all copies of copies.</p><p><strong>1754 &#30002;&#25100;&#26412; Jiaxu manuscript</strong></p><ul><li><p>Purchased by Hu Shi in 1927; is now at Cornell university</p></li><li><p>Chapters 1-8, 13-16, and 25-28; original probably had 80 chapters.</p></li><li><p>Most copies we have are black and white. A color version was printed in Taiwan in 1961 but is rare.</p></li></ul><p><strong>1759 &#24049;&#21359;&#26412; Jimao manuscript</strong></p><ul><li><p>Held in National Library of China, Beijing</p></li><li><p>Originally 41 chapters with 13 recovered later for a total of 54 chapters (this is confusing, I know)</p></li></ul><p><strong>1760 &#24218;&#36784;&#26412; Gengchen</strong></p><ul><li><p>In Peking University library</p></li><li><p>78 chapters survive; chapters 64 and 67 are missing, and chapters 17 and 18 are unseparated</p></li><li><p>This is the most complete &#8220;zhi commentary&#8221; version and is the basis for most of the modern critical versions of the novel</p></li><li><p>This one is the reason why you see chapters 17 and 18 combined in official published editions of the book.</p></li></ul><p><strong>&#25114;&#24207;&#26412; Qi-Preface</strong></p><ul><li><p>Manuscripts that contain a preface by Qi Liaosheng (&#25114;&#34044;&#29983;) who was a scholar-official in the 18<sup>th</sup> century</p></li><li><p>This includes all 80 chapters with integrated commentary</p></li><li><p>These were the earliest manuscripts to reach the public, going back to a photographic reproduction in 1911.</p></li><li><p>There are numerous versions of this manuscript out there, which can be pretty confusing.  The thing they all have in common is the Qi Liaosheng preface.</p></li></ul><p><strong>&#33945;&#24220;&#26412; Mongol Prince Mansion</strong></p><ul><li><p>Found in a Mongol Prince palace in the 1960s</p></li><li><p>120 chapters, but the last 40 chapters are unique</p></li><li><p>The final 40 chapters are usually considered a later patchwork and are likely not a Cao Xueqin original</p></li><li><p>Some variants in first 80 chapters</p></li></ul><p><strong>&#21015;&#34255;&#26412; Leningrad</strong></p><ul><li><p>Found in Leningrad in the 1960s; brought to China in the 1980s for study</p></li><li><p>78 chapters with some commentary but less than other manuscripts</p></li><li><p>Also has some unique readings</p></li><li><p>Seems to have gone from China to Russia sometime in the 1830s.</p></li></ul><p><strong>&#26790;&#31295;&#26412; Dream</strong></p><ul><li><p>Owned by Qing dynasty scholar Yang jizhen (&#26954;&#32380;&#25391;); he got it sometime in the 19<sup>th</sup> century</p></li><li><p>120 chapters</p></li><li><p>First 80 chapters seem to be a printed-style text</p></li><li><p>Last 40 chapters have traces of a revised draft</p></li><li><p>Could this be an earlier version of what Cheng Weiyuan and Gao E were working on?</p></li></ul><p><strong>&#26954;&#34255;&#26412; The Yang Manuscript</strong></p><ul><li><p>This seems to have originally been published in 1973. This is a 120 chapter manuscript covered with deletions and so forth.</p></li></ul><p>&#21335;&#22294;&#26412; The &#8220;Nanjing Library&#8221; version</p><ul><li><p>Probably came from sometime in the middle of the 19<sup>th</sup> century, kind of hard to tell</p></li><li><p>Includes Zhiyanzhai commentaries and the Qi Liaosheng preface</p></li></ul><p><strong>1784 &#30002;&#36784;&#26412; Jiachen</strong></p><ul><li><p>Dated 1784 in the text</p></li><li><p>80 chapters</p></li><li><p>Includes a preface by Mengjuezhuren (&#22818;&#35258;&#20027;&#20154;)</p></li><li><p>Shows some editorial interventions, and seems to be a textual bridge</p></li></ul><p><strong>1789 &#33298;&#24207;&#26412; Shu-Preface</strong></p><ul><li><p>Dated 1789</p></li><li><p>Only 40 chapters</p></li><li><p>With preface by Shu Yuwei (&#33298;&#20803;&#29010;)</p></li></ul><p><strong>&#37073;&#34255;&#26412; Zheng Zang Ben</strong></p><ul><li><p>Chapter 23 only</p></li><li><p>Discovered in Zheng Zhenduo&#8217;s collection</p></li></ul><p><strong>&#21342;&#34255;&#26412; Bian Zang Ben</strong></p><ul><li><p>10 chapters that surfaced in 2006</p></li><li><p>Some people think this is a modern fake</p></li></ul><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;PayPal Donation&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C"><span>PayPal Donation</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h2>Printed Versions</h2><p>There are hundreds of different printed versions of <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>, probably because the text itself is not under copyright.  It&#8217;s common to see random editions spring up from small and somewhat bizarre publishing companies in random parts of China.  Some of these use font sizes that are so small that the text is literally unreadable.</p><p>I like to collect these different versions.  However, the list below includes only the major variants that I am aware of rather than including every single different possible permutation of the book.</p><p><strong>1791 &#31243;&#30002;&#26412; Cheng Jia edition</strong></p><ul><li><p>First completed and printed 120 chapter edition</p></li><li><p>Lots of differences from the old manuscripts with red ink commentary</p></li><li><p>Includes preface in which Gao E and Cheng Weiyuan explain that the final 40 chapters were reconstructed based on different manuscripts.</p></li><li><p>This was the most popular version of the text until 1927; almost all easily accessible versions were this text.</p></li></ul><p><strong>1792 &#31243;&#20057;&#26412; Cheng Yi edition</strong></p><ul><li><p>Revised edition that formed the base of the most popular version of this book in the 20<sup>th</sup> century</p></li><li><p>Most changes in this version came to the final 40 chapters.</p></li><li><p>Includes additional preface note with more explanation about the provenance of the final 40 chapters; Gao E and Cheng Weiyuan claim that they found better quality original manuscripts of these chapters, but offer no real provenance information or explanation.</p></li><li><p>This is generally considered the popular version of the novel to this day; chances are that your Chinese grandparents read this version.</p></li></ul><p><strong>&#19977;&#23478;&#35413;&#26412; 19<sup>th</sup> century commentary version</strong></p><ul><li><p>Includes three different commentators: Wang Xilian (&#29579;&#24076;&#24265;), Zhang Xinzhi (&#24373;&#26032;&#20043;), and Yao Xie</p></li><li><p>This is what basically cemented the Cheng-Gao base in the understanding of this novel.</p></li><li><p>These commentaries did not take into consideration any manuscripts, which were difficult to find and very obscure.</p></li></ul><p><strong>Yadong Editions &#20126;&#26481;&#29256;</strong></p><ul><li><p>Published by Yadong Library in Shanghai</p></li><li><p>Prefaces by Hu Shi and Chen Duxiu</p></li><li><p>1921 edition was the Cheng Yi edition with Hu Shi&#8217;s preface; this is what turned the novel into a modern printed book</p></li><li><p>1927 edition was this version with further revisions and used the 1792 text as the base.</p></li><li><p>This is the version most prominent in the Republic of China era</p></li></ul><p><strong>1953 &#20316;&#23478;&#20986;&#29256;&#31038; Zuojia Chubanshe</strong></p><ul><li><p>First standardized popular edition in the PRC</p></li></ul><p><strong>1957 &#20154;&#27665;&#25991;&#23398;&#20986;&#29256;&#31038; Renmin Wenxue Chubanshe</strong></p><ul><li><p>Base text with the Cheng Yi veresion</p></li><li><p>Includes a preface by that reflects the orthodox Marxist interpretation</p></li><li><p>This was the standard text for two decades, though there was a period between 1966 and 1971 or so when <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em> was not allowed to be sold in stores.</p></li><li><p>Includes explanatory footnotes for difficult to understand characters</p></li></ul><p><strong>1982 &#20154;&#27665;&#25991;&#23398;&#20986;&#29256;&#31038; Renmin Wenxue Chubanshe</strong></p><ul><li><p>The first 80 chapters here are based on the Gengchen manuscript primarily</p></li><li><p>This is where they started combining chapters 17 and 18</p></li><li><p>This instantly became the standard version in China</p></li><li><p>This is basically the most important version of the novel since the Yadong Editions, and marked a major scholarly shift towards the manuscripts.</p></li></ul><p><strong>1983 &#32005;&#27155;&#22818;&#26657;&#27880; Taipei version</strong></p><ul><li><p>Also uses the Gengchen manuscript for the first 80 chapters, but with parts of the Leningrad manuscript</p></li><li><p>This is the scholarly version in Taiwan</p></li><li><p>Note, however, that it&#8217;s much easier to find versions of the 1792 text in Taiwan through publishers like &#19977;&#27665;&#26360;&#23616;.</p></li></ul><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/dream-of-the-red-chamber-edition/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/dream-of-the-red-chamber-edition/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Four Plays]]></title><description><![CDATA[The Jia family predicts its own downfall]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-four-plays</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-four-plays</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2026 10:42:23 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AzS7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5258522a-e224-450c-ad28-f50e5ef69595_510x1270.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>The Four Plays</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>We&#8217;re not done with the literary references yet. This short paragraph will give you headaches if you try reading it without translation notes. Let&#8217;s jump in.</p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>My Translation</strong></h2><p>After she had read these poems, Jia Yuanchun was absolutely delighted. &#8220;You&#8217;ve really improved a lot!&#8221; she exclaimed. She singled out the &#8220;Apricot Tavern&#8221; poem as the best of the four.</p><p>She then ordered that the name The Hemp Washing Villa be changed to Fragrant Rice Village. She also had Tanchun copy the ten or so poems onto embroidered stationary, and then ordered an eunuch to deliver them to the men in the outer rooms of the household.</p><p>When Jia Zheng and the others read the poems, they praised them without ceasing. Jia Zhen then composed an ode of his own about Jia Yuanchun&#8217;s return home.</p><p>Jia Yuanchun then ordered that delicacies like jade pudding and golden meats be given to Jia Baoyu and Jia Lan. Jia Lan was still young and didn&#8217;t understand any of these formalities, and so he simply bowed along with his mother and uncle.</p><p>While all this was happening, Jia Qiang had brought a group of actresses to the house and was waiting downstairs. He was starting to run out of patience when an eunuch came flying down the stairs. &#8220;The poems are done,&#8221; announced the eunuch. &#8220;Bring the playbill at once!&#8221; And so Jia Qiang quickly presented the list of plays along with a list of the names of the twelve girls.</p><p>Before long, four plays had been selected. These were:</p><ol><li><p><em>The Grand Banquet</em></p></li><li><p><em>Begging for Skill</em></p></li><li><p><em>The Immortal&#8217;s Encounter</em></p></li><li><p><em>The Soul&#8217;s Departure</em></p></li></ol><p>Jia Qiang hurried around, getting costumes ready and preparing the staging for the plays. Each of the girls had a voice so beautiful that it could split the stones, and each of them could dance with angelic posture. Though it was all obviously acting, the girls performed so well that they fully conveyed the extremes of joy and sorrow to the audience.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-four-plays/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-four-plays/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>Translation Critique</strong></h2><p><strong>Hawkes</strong></p><p>Hawkes describes Jia Zheng&#8217;s poem as a &#8220;eulogy.&#8221; Normally a <em>eulogy</em><span> is a speech to honor a deceased person, usually at a funeral. However, it can also refer to the act of praising somebody. The word </span><em>eulogy</em><span> here is very odd, and carries a connotation with it that is not present in the Chinese text.</span></p><p>Hawkes calls the foods &#8220;junket and mince.&#8221; <em>Junket</em> here is a kind of cream cheese.</p><p>Hawkes offers a little bit of explanation about the scenes in each of the plays, but decides against using any explanatory footnotes:</p><blockquote><p>Four pieces were chosen: &#8220;Shi-fan Entertains&#8221; from <em>The Handful of Snow</em>, &#8220;The Double Seventh&#8221; from <em>The Palace of Eternal Youth</em>, &#8220;The Meeting of the Immortals&#8221; from <em>The Han-dan Road </em>and Li-niang&#8217;s death-scene from <em>The Return of the Soul</em>.</p></blockquote><p>I suppose the assumption here is that the reader is already familiar with these poems. However, when it comes to a book like <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em> with many references to literature that doesn&#8217;t actually exist, it would have been nice to know that these plays were actual plays.</p><p><strong>Yang</strong></p><p>The Yangs have Jia Zheng compose a <em>panegyric</em>, which is a speech full of praise. This is a bit more appropriate than a <em>eulogy</em>, though the more accurate translation would simple be an &#8220;ode&#8221; or a &#8220;poem.&#8221;</p><p>The Yangs follow Hawkes in calling &#29898;&#37226; &#8220;junket.&#8221; My guess is that they simply used Hawkes&#8217; word; remember that the first volume of <em>The Story of the Stone</em> came out years before the Yangs released their translation.</p><p>The Yangs include footnotes that explain the names and authors of each of the plays, though they do not offer any additional commentary about the scenes. Actually, David Hawkes offers a lot more context than the Yangs do in this scene.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Me A Coffee&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen"><span>Buy Me A Coffee</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>Chinese Text</strong></h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AzS7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5258522a-e224-450c-ad28-f50e5ef69595_510x1270.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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Notes</strong></h2><p>Jia Yuanchun singling out the &#8220;Apricot Tavern&#8221; poem as the best of the four (&#25351;&#12300;&#26447;&#31806;&#12301;&#19968;&#39318;&#28858;&#22235;&#39318;&#20043;&#20896;) is ironic, since Lin Daiyu is the one who composed it.</p><p>The name &#31291;&#39321;&#26449; (Fragrant Rice Village) comes straight from Lin Daiyu&#8217;s poem, in particular this line:</p><blockquote><p>&#19968;&#30054;&#26149;&#38894;&#29087;&#65292;&#21313;&#37324;&#31291;&#33457;&#39321;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>There is one plot of land with young spring chives,</p><p>And miles of fragrant fields with rice blossoms.</p></blockquote><p>If you think back a little bit, you&#8217;ll remember that &#28579;&#33883;&#23665;&#33674;, or &#8220;The Hemp Washing Villa,&#8221; was actually a direct reference to the Confucian ideal of feminine virtue. Changing it to the very expressive and sensory &#31291;&#39321;&#26449; (Fragrant Rice Village) is a massive difference.</p><p>&#31627; means stationary, and so &#37670;&#31627; means embroidered stationary.</p><p>&#29898;&#37226; literally means &#8220;jade milk curd.&#8221; It&#8217;s not entirely clear what food this is supposed to be.</p><p>&#37329;&#33214; means something like &#8220;golden minced raw fish or meat.&#8221;</p><p>Jia Lan (&#36040;&#34349;) is Li Wan&#8217;s son, and is Jia Baoyu&#8217;s nephew. We haven&#8217;t seen much about him yet; here&#8217;s an old post to refresh your memory:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;b1c57512-5c0c-41a9-8bd1-07890d4a19b2&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Doomed To Domestic Servitude&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Doomed To Domestic Servitude&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-06-08T10:00:21.028Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EQXC!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e460599-fd13-4aa4-96c2-57750a2d8aee_1337x1283.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/doomed-to-domestic-servitude&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:164732588,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:3,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>The four plays are all significant.</p><p><span>&#35946;&#23476;, or </span><em><span>The Grand Banquet</span></em><span>, is an excerpt from a play called </span><em><span>A Handful of Snow</span></em><span> (</span>&#19968;&#25447;&#38634;) by an early Qing dynasty playwright named Li Yu (&#26446;&#29577;). This is the story of an official who owns a flawless jade cup called &#8220;A Handful of Snow.&#8221; A powerful minister wants to get the cup, and so he frames the official and destroys his whole family. This particular scene is the villain&#8217;s magnificent banquet, and is used here as a clear foreshadowing of the coming fall of the Jia family.</p><p><span>&#20062;&#24039;, or </span><em><span>Begging for Skill</span></em><span>, is an excerpt from a play called </span><em><span>The Palace of Eternal Life</span></em><span> (</span>&#38263;&#29983;&#27583;) by Hong Sheng (&#27946;&#26119;). This is another Qing dynasty play, and deals with the love story between Emperor Ming of the Tang dynasty and his beloved Yang Guifei. In this scene they vow their love to each other. However, the empire then collapses, and Yang Guifei is eventually forced to hang herself. This particular scene foretells the coming political disaster that will severely impact the Jia family.</p><p><span>&#20185;&#32227;, or </span><em><span>The Immortal&#8217;s Encounter</span></em><span>, is an excerpt from the play </span><em><span>The Handan Dream</span></em><span> (</span>&#37039;&#37170;&#35352;) by the Ming dynasty playwright Tang Xianzu (&#28271;&#39023;&#31062;). This is about the scholar Lv Sheng meeting the Taoist immortal Lv Dongbin at an inn, hence the phrase &#8220;immortal encounter.&#8221; Lv Sheng has a dream during this scene in which he goes through an entire lifetime, including passing the imperial examinations, wining high office, receiving glory, then suffering disgrace and finally passing away. This points towards Jia Baoyu&#8217;s eventual destiny, and brings up questions about the difference between dreams and reality that permeate <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em><span>.</span></p><p><span>&#38626;&#39746;, or </span><em><span>The Soul&#8217;s Departure</span></em><span>, is an excerpt from </span><em><span>The Peony Pavilion</span></em><span> (</span>&#29281;&#20025;&#20141;), also by Tang Xianzu (&#28271;&#39023;&#31062;). <em>The Peony Pavilion</em><span> is one of the most obvious influences on </span><em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em><span>, and references to this play will come up time and time again as we move forward. In this scene, a man named Du Liniang has a dream about a beautiful girl. He falls in love with her, but she grows sick and dies; in fact, &#8220;The Soul&#8217;s Departure&#8221; is the scene where her soul leaves her body. In the end, his love proves stronger than death: he finds her self-portrait, which causes her soul to return, and she is resurrected to marry him. This is a prediction of Lin Daiyu&#8217;s eventual fate.</span></p><p>Notice how Cao Xueqin merely names these plays and moves right along, even though this is one of the most significant literary passages in the entire chapter.</p><p>The reference to voices that can split stone and the posture of angels ( <span>&#27468;&#26377;&#35010;&#30707;&#20043;&#38899;&#65292;&#33310;&#26377;&#22825;&#39764;&#20043;&#24907;) likely seems a little bit odd to you. &#27468;&#26377;&#35010;&#30707;&#20043;&#38899;, or a voice that can break the stones, refers to high, piercing, and resonant voices. While you can find similar hyperbolic descriptions of resonant voices in classical Chinese literature, this phrase is entirely a Cao Xueqin creation.</span></p><p>Meanwhile, &#33310;&#26377;&#22825;&#39764;&#20043;&#24907; is interesting. I translated &#22825;&#39764; as &#8220;angels&#8221; to help the English version make sense, though it actually refers to the minions of the demon king Mara who assailed the Buddha with visions of worldly delight in an attempt to prevent his enlightenment. In fact, the word &#22825;&#39764; itself is a transliteration of the Sanskrit word &#2350;&#2366;&#2352; (M&#257;ra), which could also be translated literally as &#8220;death&#8221; or &#8220;the destroyer.&#8221;</p><p><span>There&#8217;s a historic connotation here as well. The last Emperor of the Yuan dynasty kept sixteen palace women, who were referred to as &#21313;&#20845;&#22825;&#39764;, or &#8220;the 16 heavenly demons.&#8221; They would dance in fancy dress for various spectacles with Buddhist connotations that would always degenerate into lascivious entertainment. The Emperor enjoyed these dances so much that he neglected the affairs of state, leading directly to the collapse of the dynasty. Therefore, this talk about &#8220;the dance of angels&#8221; refers directly to </span>&#22825;&#39764;&#33310;, or the collapse of an entire empire.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-four-plays/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-four-plays/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[When The Text Is As Interesting As The Book]]></title><description><![CDATA[A beginner&#8217;s guide to the textual history of Dream of the Red Chamber]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/when-the-text-is-as-interesting-as</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/when-the-text-is-as-interesting-as</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2026 02:03:41 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/youtube/w_728,c_limit/zC_dyeDot8I" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>When The Text Is As Interesting As The Book</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><div id="youtube2-zC_dyeDot8I" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;zC_dyeDot8I&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/zC_dyeDot8I?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>It&#8217;s a little bit late in coming, but I finally finished up a quick overview of the history of the text of <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>:</p><p>This is what we&#8217;d normally call &#8220;higher criticism,&#8221; which refers to criticism that focuses on the text itself.  &#8220;Lower criticism&#8221; is more like what you read on this blog every day - that involves reading the commonly accepted text and arguing incessantly about what it means.</p><p>Of course, the problem with <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em> is that analysis of the text itself brings with it a lot of assumptions and complications, including some things that can be really difficult to understand.</p><p>The other problem is that it&#8217;s really not easy to find copies of all these various manuscript variants and the various versions that have been published over the years.</p><p>I have my ways, however, and have slowly been piecing together a pretty comprehensive collection of all of this stuff.</p><p>Soon - in fact, hopefully by the end of this week - I&#8217;ll have a major update to <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/files">the files area of this site</a> with a bunch of helpful files.  These will include:</p><p>Published translations in multiple languages (basically as much as I can find)</p><p>All Chinese editions of the book I&#8217;ve been able to come across, including manuscripts and printed copies</p><p>Numerous commentary books and articles that have come up over the years</p><p>And more!</p><p>Of course, collecting all the books is one thing.  Actually reading them is another.  But we&#8217;ve got time on our hands.  Stay tuned as I slowly start working through the world of commentaries.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/when-the-text-is-as-interesting-as/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/when-the-text-is-as-interesting-as/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Apricot Banner]]></title><description><![CDATA[Lin Daiyu&#8217;s poem in Jia Baoyu&#8217;s name]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-apricot-banner</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-apricot-banner</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 10:02:38 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>The Apricot Banner</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>This is the final of Jia Baoyu&#8217;s four poems for Jia Yuanchun. Remember that this poem was actually composed by Lin Daiyu.</p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>My Translation</strong></h2><p>Apricot Banner In Sight</p><blockquote><p>The apricot banner invites travelers to drink;</p><p>You can see a mountain villa from here.</p><p>The geese swim on water filled with chestnuts and lilies;</p><p>The swallows dart through mulberry and elm trees to the rafters.</p><p>There is one plot of land with young spring chives,</p><p>And miles of fragrant fields with rice blossoms.</p><p>In this prosperous age, nobody goes hungry.</p><p>Why should one toil at plowing and weaving?</p></blockquote><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-apricot-banner/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-apricot-banner/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>Translation Critique</strong></h2><p><strong>Hawkes</strong></p><p>David Hawkes translates this poem in this way:</p><blockquote><p><em>The Hopeful Sign</em></p><p>An inn-sign, through the orchards half-discerned,</p><p>Promises shelter and a drink well-earned.</p><p>Through water-weeds the pond&#8217;s geese make their way;</p><p>Midst elms and mulberry-trees the swallows play.</p><p>The garden&#8217;s chives are ready to prepare;</p><p>The scent of young rice perfumes all the air.</p><p>When want is banished, as in times like these,</p><p>The spinner and the ploughman take their ease.</p></blockquote><p>This is a good translation, all in all. Hawkes replaced the second line with a generic line about &#8220;a drink well-earned,&#8221; but it doesn&#8217;t really take anything away from the overall feeling.</p><p><strong>Yang</strong></p><p>The Yangs translate this poem like this:</p><blockquote><p>APPROACH TO APRICOT TAVERN</p><p>A grove of apricots, a tavern-sign</p><p>And a hillside hamlet beyond:</p><p>Elms, mulberries, swallows on rafters,</p><p>And geese on the caltrop pond.</p><p>In the fields spring leeks are green;</p><p>All round, the paddy flowers scent the breeze;</p><p>None go hungry in these good times,</p><p>Ploughman and weaver alike can take their ease.</p></blockquote><p>Like the Hawkes translation, this one is perfectly fine. The only real difference is that the second line is translated accurately.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Me A Coffee&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen"><span>Buy Me A Coffee</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>Chinese Text</strong></h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!21Yc!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84bd36ad-295d-4d3a-813f-d52d2693247c_266x1163.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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Donation</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>Translation Notes</strong></h2><p>&#33777; means a water chestnut, and &#33607; is a kind of water lily. Both of these are plans that grow in slow-moving water.</p><p>&#30054; is a measure word for a plot or bed in a vegetable garden.</p><p>&#38894; means garlic chives or Chinese leeks.</p><p>&#21313;&#37324; means ten <em>li</em><span>, which is about 5 kilometers. I simplified this by calling the distance &#8220;miles,&#8221; since this is likely not intended to be a specific measurement.</span></p><p>The final two lines are a somewhat sarcastic reference to the fact that this particular farm is not really designed for actual farm work. This reflects Jia Baoyu&#8217;s earlier criticism of this very building:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;0a5a639c-edaa-4c36-ad43-116049de809c&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;The Fragrance Of Beautiful Clouds&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The Fragrance Of Beautiful Clouds&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-07-05T10:01:20.125Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_-gr!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c797daf-fd96-4a22-a011-849fb7441ac8_1107x1281.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-fragrance-of-beautiful-clouds&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:205098103,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:4,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><blockquote><p>&#23542;&#29577;&#36947;&#65306;&#12300;&#21371;&#21448;&#20358;&#65281;&#27492;&#34389;&#32622;&#19968;&#30000;&#33674;&#65292;&#20998;&#26126;&#26159;&#20154;&#21147;&#36896;&#20316;&#25104;&#30340;&#12290;&#36960;&#28961;&#37168;&#26449;&#65292;&#36817;&#19981;&#36000;&#37101;&#65292;&#32972;&#23665;&#28961;&#33032;&#65292;&#33256;&#27700;&#28961;&#28304;&#65307;&#39640;&#28961;&#38577;&#23546;&#20043;&#22612;&#65292;&#19979;&#28961;&#36890;&#24066;&#20043;&#27211;&#65292;&#23789;&#28982;&#23396;&#20986;&#65292;&#20284;&#38750;&#22823;&#35264;&#12290;&#37027;&#21450;&#21069;&#25976;&#34389;&#26377;&#33258;&#28982;&#20043;&#29702;&#65292;&#24471;&#33258;&#28982;&#20043;&#36259;&#21602;&#65292;&#38614;&#31278;&#31481;&#24341;&#27849;&#65292;&#20134;&#19981;&#20663;&#31359;&#38015;&#12290;&#21476;&#20154;&#20113;&#12302;&#22825;&#28982;&#22294;&#30059;&#12303;&#22235;&#23383;&#65292;&#27491;&#24656;&#38750;&#20854;&#22320;&#32780;&#24375;&#28858;&#20854;&#22320;&#65292;&#38750;&#20854;&#23665;&#32780;&#24375;&#28858;&#20854;&#23665;&#65292;&#21363;&#30334;&#33324;&#31934;&#24039;&#65292;&#32066;&#19981;&#30456;&#23452;&#12290;&#12301;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>&#8220;There you go again!&#8221; exclaimed Baoyu. &#8220;The farm that was placed here is clearly an artificial creation. There are no other villages in the distance, and there are no city walls nearby. The mountain behind it has no connecting ridge, and the water in front of it has no natural source. There&#8217;s no pagoda above it to hint at a hidden temple, and there&#8217;s no bridge below it to suggest a market town. It&#8217;s stark and isolated, and does not belong to any grand view.</p><p>&#8220;How can this place compare with the place we just saw, which possessed the principle of nature and captured the charm of nature? Though that place had planted bamboo springs and water channels, it was not clearly man made.</p><p>&#8220;When the ancients spoke of &#8216;Natural Landscape Painting,&#8217; they warned against exactly this sort of thing: forcing a landscape where it doesn&#8217;t belong, and forcing a mountain where it doesn&#8217;t fit. After all, even using every kind of craftsmanship in the end will not result in actual harmony with nature.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p>We can tell that this poem was composed by Lin Daiyu because it doesn&#8217;t have any of the ornate artifice that you usually see in court poetry. It&#8217;s direct and insightful.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-apricot-banner/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-apricot-banner/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Master]]></title><description><![CDATA[Why I&#8217;m write about yesterday&#8217;s poem]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-master</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-master</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 10:00:37 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/215149347/51f0eae799c285fe1c925f81f15bab62.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>The Master</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>Okay, it&#8217;s time to get really geeky about something again.  Let&#8217;s get into it.</p><p>Please be aware that there are numerous spoilers in this podcast recording.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-master/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-master/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Delighting in Red and Rejoicing in Green]]></title><description><![CDATA[Jia Baoyu&#8217;s third poem]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/delighting-in-red-and-rejoicing-in</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/delighting-in-red-and-rejoicing-in</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2026 19:43:16 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RaN1!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1c88217d-e619-40bd-9752-64d731463882_339x1252.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Delighting in Red and Rejoicing in Green</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>Today we have Jia Baoyu&#8217;s third poem. This one is a bit easier to understand and interpret.</p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>My Translation</strong></h2>
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15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>A friend of mine had a question after reading yesterday&#8217;s poem.</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;8d460aef-3940-44f9-945f-b23f2a74c05f&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;This is the second of Jia Baoyu&#8217;s four poems in chapter 18.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The Dream Goes On&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-09-09T09:58:39.177Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:null,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-dream-goes-on&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:214860915,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:1,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>The question revolves around these two lines:</p><blockquote><p>&#36575;&#35183;&#19977;&#26149;&#33609;&#65292;&#26580;&#25302;&#19968;&#32311;&#39321;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>They softly contrast with the late spring grass,</p><p>Gently leaving a single sweet scent.</p></blockquote><p>In particular - should we call &#19977;&#26149; &#8220;late spring,&#8221; or something else?</p><p>First of all, you need to realize that the phrase &#19977;&#26149; always has a deeper meaning in <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>.  The character &#26149; here refers to the names of the four Jia family &#8220;sisters:&#8221; Jia Yuanchun, Jia Yingchun, Jia Tanchun, and Jia Xichun.</p><p>We were actually introduced to this way back in chapter 2, though it&#8217;s easy to forget:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;2c46c915-16a5-44bd-8596-17acd049b484&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;After a reader suggestion, I&#8217;ve decided to change the order of each section. This means that most future paid posts will be almost entirely behind the paywall. My hope is that this will make it easier for readers who do not read Chinese to follow.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The Spring Cycle&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-05-13T10:01:36.756Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pVsM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd33185ca-25fa-4faf-8e5e-c330360620bb_1295x1279.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-spring-cycle&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:162359099,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:8,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><blockquote><p>&#38632;&#26449;&#36947;&#65306;&#12300;&#26356;&#22937;&#22312;&#29956;&#23478;&#39080;&#20439;&#65306;&#22899;&#20818;&#20043;&#21517;&#20134;&#30342;&#24478;&#30007;&#23376;&#20043;&#21517;&#65292;&#19981;&#20284;&#21029;&#20154;&#23478;&#21478;&#22806;&#29992;&#36889;&#20123;&#12302;&#26149;&#12303;&#12302;&#32005;&#12303;&#12302;&#39321;&#12303;&#12302;&#29577;&#12303;&#31561;&#35924;&#23383;&#12290;&#20309;&#24471;&#36040;&#24220;&#20134;&#33853;&#27492;&#20439;&#22871;&#65311;&#12301;&#23376;&#33288;&#36947;&#65306;&#12300;&#19981;&#28982;&#12290;&#21482;&#22240;&#29694;&#20170;&#22823;&#23567;&#22992;&#26159;&#27491;&#26376;&#21021;&#19968;&#25152;&#29983;&#65292;&#25925;&#21517;&#20803;&#26149;&#65292;&#39192;&#32773;&#37117;&#24478;&#20102;&#12302;&#26149;&#12303;&#23383;&#12290;&#19978;&#19968;&#36649;&#30340;&#21371;&#20063;&#26159;&#24478;&#24351;&#20804;&#32780;&#20358;&#30340;&#12290;&#29694;&#26377;&#23565;&#35657;&#65306;&#30446;&#20170;&#20320;&#36020;&#26481;&#23478;&#26519;&#20844;&#30340;&#22827;&#20154;&#21363;&#27054;&#24220;&#20013;&#36198;&#25919;&#20108;&#20844;&#30340;&#32990;&#22969;&#65292;&#22312;&#23478;&#26178;&#21517;&#21914;&#36040;&#25935;&#12290;&#19981;&#20449;&#26178;&#65292;&#20320;&#22238;&#21435;&#32048;&#35370;&#21487;&#30693;&#12290;&#12301;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>&#8220;What&#8217;s even more remarkable,&#8221; remarked Yucun, &#8220;is the naming custom in the Zhen family. Their daughter&#8217;s names follow the same pattern as their son&#8217;s names. They&#8217;re not like the other households, which insist on gaudy names like &#8216;spring,&#8217; &#8216;red,&#8217; &#8216;fragrant,&#8217; or &#8216;jade.&#8217; How could the Jia family stoop to such vulgar customs?&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;It&#8217;s not like that,&#8221; replied Zixing. &#8220;It&#8217;s only because their oldest daughter was born on the first day of the New Year. That&#8217;s why they called her &#8216;Primordial Spring,&#8217; or &#8216;Yuanchun.&#8217; The others just followed with the same &#8216;Spring&#8217; character [Chun]. The daughters of the previous Jia generation, however, did follow the naming pattern of their brothers. Here&#8217;s the proof: the wife of your employer, Master Lin, is the full younger sister of the Rong mansion&#8217;s Jia She and Jia Zheng. She was named Jia Min. If you don&#8217;t believe me, ask them yourself when you go back.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p>In general, the phrase &#19977;&#26149; refers to the three remaining Jia family sisters, now that Jia Yuanchun is part of the Imperial harem.</p><p>Now, there are actually two different ways to think about &#19977;&#26149;.  One is &#8220;the three springs,&#8221; or the three girls with &#8220;Chun&#8221; in their name, as I described above.  And the other way is to think about the three different time periods within spring.</p><p>These time periods are pretty easy to understand.  You&#8217;ve got &#21021;&#26149;, or the first part of spring; &#20210;&#26149;, or the middle part of spring, and &#26286;&#26149;, or the late part of spring.</p><p>Now, you can assign numbers to each of those.  If you were to use numbers to differentiate the different time periods within spring, then &#19977;&#26149; would naturally be the same as &#26286;&#26149;, or &#8220;late spring.&#8221;  That&#8217;s how I translated &#19977;&#26149; in yesterday&#8217;s poem.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Me A Coffee&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen"><span>Buy Me A Coffee</span></a></p><p>I&#8217;ve used the same translation approach when we came across &#19977;&#26149; in the past, too.  See this post, for instance:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;1c7ae076-03d0-4ad6-842a-2a2624ac2e6a&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;The Blooming Pomegranates Light The Palace Walls&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The Blooming Pomegranates Light The Palace Walls&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-07-14T10:02:18.338Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZYh9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2fb48d5-a02b-413f-93ef-b5d8cd82af7c_525x1519.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-blooming-pomegranates-light-the&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:167599847,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:3,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><blockquote><p>&#19977;&#26149;&#29229;&#21450;&#21021;&#26149;&#26223;&#65311;&#34382;&#20820;&#30456;&#36898;&#22823;&#22818;&#27512;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Can the late spring rival the first dawn of spring?</p><p>When the tiger meets the rabbit, the great dream is done.</p></blockquote><p>In this poem, the assocation between &#19977;&#26149; (the third spring, late spring, or whatever) and &#26286;&#26149; (late spring) is obvious.  It&#8217;s written in direct contrast to &#21021;&#26149;.  And there&#8217;s a really good chance that this poem refers to one of the three Jia sisters.</p><p>However, there are also times where &#19977;&#26149; really can&#8217;t be translated as &#8220;late spring.&#8221;  Take this, for example:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;d0c06e72-1a4c-4618-8ce0-514ff5755c15&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;The Enlightenment of the Illusory Flowers&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The Enlightenment of the Illusory Flowers&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-08-25T10:03:04.688Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ndLo!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff410deee-c11a-49a1-97bd-495b1cbf8e90_408x1410.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-enlightenment-of-the-illusory&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:171766355,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:2,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><blockquote><p>&#23559;&#37027;&#19977;&#26149;&#30475;&#30772;&#65292;&#26691;&#32005;&#26611;&#32160;&#24453;&#22914;&#20309;&#65311;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>As she sees through the splendor of the three springs,</p><p>She wonders what use the reds and greens of spring are.</p></blockquote><p>In this case, &#19977;&#26149; absolutely needs to refer to <em>all three</em> of the periods of spring, rather than only the last one.  Note as well the reference to the colors green and red, which is something that we&#8217;ve seen come up pretty frequently in chapters 17 and 18.</p><p>There&#8217;s also a poem where &#19977;&#26149; is almost impossible to translate to English:</p><p></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;9f83f531-ad55-4a08-9954-20502fc3a3b1&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;From Splendor To Black Clothing&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;From Splendor To Black Clothing&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-07-24T10:00:41.321Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!83YB!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fde79a340-9ba5-48df-916c-876b451c5ba7_304x1445.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/from-splendor-to-black-clothing&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:168490515,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:2,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><blockquote><p>&#21208;&#30772;&#19977;&#26149;&#26223;&#19981;&#38263;&#65292;&#32199;&#34915;&#38931;&#25913;&#26132;&#24180;&#22941;&#12290;</p><p>&#21487;&#24976;&#32353;&#25142;&#20399;&#38272;&#22899;&#65292;&#29544;&#33253;&#38738;&#29128;&#21476;&#20315;&#26049;&#65281;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Clearly seeing that the spring won&#8217;t last forever,</p><p>She suddenly changed into dark robes.</p><p>What a shame that this daughter of wealth</p><p>Now sleeps alone by the dim lamp of an ancient Buddha!</p></blockquote><p>I&#8217;m really not sure what to do with &#19977;&#26149; here, unless we translate it as &#8220;late spring&#8221; again.  This one is a head scratcher.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;PayPal Donation&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C"><span>PayPal Donation</span></a></p><p>Anyway, in the poem we saw yesterday, &#19977;&#26149; is mentioned in connection with an actual place.  While it very likely refers to the three Jia sisters, the context of the visual image makes the most sense if we simply call it &#8220;late spring,&#8221; and not something like &#8220;the three springs:&#8221;</p><blockquote><p>&#34309;&#34154;&#28415;&#38748;&#33489;&#65292;&#34367;&#34204;&#21161;&#33452;&#33459;&#12290;</p><p>&#36575;&#35183;&#19977;&#26149;&#33609;&#65292;&#26580;&#25302;&#19968;&#32311;&#39321;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Wild ginger fills the quiet courtyard,</p><p>The climbing vines add their fragrance.</p><p>They softly contrast with the late spring grass,</p><p>Gently leaving a single sweet scent.</p></blockquote><p>Of course, if you think about what this poem <em>represents</em>, it&#8217;s pretty clear that it refers to a girl whose appearance and beauty sets herself apart from the three Chun sisters.</p><p>I&#8217;ll also note in my own defense that both David Hawkes and the Yangs struggle with this passage.  Hawkes translates it as &#8220;summer&#8221; for some bizarre reason:</p><blockquote><p>Fragrance of flower-drifts in these quiet confines</p><p>Mingles with headier scents of eglantines,</p><p>And summer&#8217;s herbs in a soft, spicy bed</p><p>Their aromatic perfumes subtly spread.</p></blockquote><p>The Yangs at least call it &#8220;spring,&#8221; but they seem to get the picture completely wrong:</p><blockquote><p>Alpinia fills the courtyard free from dust,</p><p>By climbing fig its fragrance reinforced;</p><p>Softly they heighten the fresh green of spring,</p><p>Gently they trail their perfume, ring on ring.</p></blockquote><p>Anyway, I&#8217;d love to know what you think about all of this!</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/late-spring/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/late-spring/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item></channel></rss>