<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Dream of the Red Chamber: In The Margins]]></title><description><![CDATA[Commentary on various themes of Dream of the Red Chamber]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/s/commentary</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png</url><title>Dream of the Red Chamber: In The Margins</title><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/s/commentary</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2026 04:39:13 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://www.redchamber.blog/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[redchamber@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[redchamber@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[redchamber@substack.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[redchamber@substack.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[Did Baoyu Mean It?]]></title><description><![CDATA[He put four girls into a 2,000-year-old book about thieves. Was he joking?]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/did-baoyu-mean-it</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/did-baoyu-mean-it</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2026 10:03:49 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xsvP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b5572ad-8ba5-4a53-9f80-64ff0680a2db_3200x2707.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>New Here? </strong>This is a companion to Chapter 21 of <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>, China's greatest novel, which I'm translating into modern English one scene at a time. Start with the <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/start-here-fff">Start Here</a> guide, or meet the family on the <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/characters">Characters</a> page.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p>Have you ever experienced teenage angst?</p><p>I think that most of us have. There are times when you feel utterly incapable of controlling your emotions during your teen years. There are times when the pent-up rage and frustration simply have to come out.</p><p>That&#8217;s what happened to Jia Baoyu. He&#8217;s sitting alone in his room, with only a candle, a pot of tea, and an old philosophy book to accompany him. He&#8217;s had two cups of wine after dinner. The girls who usually fill the room with laughter aren&#8217;t speaking to him.</p><p>So he picks up his brush and rewrites the book. In his version, the four girls closest to him are the trouble with the world. The cure is to burn them, scatter them, wreck their beauty and turn their minds to ash.</p><p>Then he goes to bed.</p><p>Is that a joke? Or did a little wine let Jia Baoyu say what he really feels?</p><p><strong>What he did</strong></p><p>If you missed yesterday&#8217;s post, <em>Two Cups of Wine and Zhuangzi</em>, here&#8217;s the short version. Baoyu&#8217;s maids, led by Xiren, have given him the silent treatment. <em>(See <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-silent-treatment">The Silent Treatment</a>.)</em> Alone and a little tipsy, he reads a chapter of the <em>Zhuangzi</em> called &#8220;Prying Open Trunks.&#8221; It&#8217;s the one that says the world would be better off if we burned every seal, snapped every scale and glued shut the eyes of the man with the best eyesight in history.</p><p>He likes it so much that he writes a continuation. He keeps Zhuangzi&#8217;s grammar and Zhuangzi&#8217;s verbs, and he swaps in Baochai, Daiyu and his two maids, Xiren and Sheyue.</p><p>The novel&#8217;s word for what he does is &#32396; (x&#249;), which means &#8220;to continue.&#8221; It doesn&#8217;t call it a parody, a joke or a confession. And that means that it&#8217;s up to <em>us</em> to interpret what kind of &#8220;continuation&#8221; this is.</p><p><strong>Why this book, on this night?</strong></p><p>Look at what happens right before he picks it up. He has decided to harden his heart and act as if the girls were dead. And the moment he does, he feels great. In my translation: &#8220;he didn&#8217;t have a care in the world, and he actually began to feel quite content.&#8221;</p><p>That state of mind has a home in Chinese literature, and it&#8217;s the <em>Zhuangzi</em>. Zhuangzi is the philosopher of not being tied down to anything. That means being tied down to your job, your reputation, your grief, or to anything at all. So Baoyu isn&#8217;t grabbing a book at random. He&#8217;s reaching for the one that matches the mood he&#8217;s trying to talk himself into.</p><p>And Zhuangzi has a soft spot for drunks. In the chapter called &#8220;Mastering Life&#8221; (&#36948;&#29983;), he points out that a drunk man who falls out of a cart doesn&#8217;t get hurt the way a sober man would: &#12300;&#22827;&#37257;&#32773;&#20043;&#22684;&#36554;&#65292;&#38614;&#30142;&#19981;&#27515;&#8230;&#8230;&#20854;&#31070;&#20840;&#20063;&#65292;&#20056;&#20134;&#19981;&#30693;&#20063;&#65292;&#22684;&#20134;&#19981;&#30693;&#20063;&#12290;&#12301; He didn&#8217;t know he was riding, and he didn&#8217;t know he was falling, so the fall didn&#8217;t break him.</p><p>Hang on to that drunk. We&#8217;ll see him again.</p><p><strong>The question</strong></p><p>So there are two ways to read what Baoyu wrote.</p><p>One: it&#8217;s a joke. A clever, slightly tipsy boy takes a famous text and swaps in the people who are annoying him, the way Weird Al keeps the tune and changes the words.</p><p>Two: it&#8217;s a confession. The wine loosened him up, and for one night he wrote down what he really thinks: that the girls he loves are traps, and he&#8217;d be better off without them. Chinese has a saying for that concept: &#37202;&#24460;&#21520;&#30495;&#35328;, or &#8220;after wine, the truth comes out.&#8221;</p><p>I have an answer, and I&#8217;ll give it to you. But first I want to show you exactly what he did to Zhuangzi, line by line, because the evidence is in the details, and some of it cuts against me.</p><h2>Zhuangzi in Five Minutes</h2><p>To see what Baoyu is making fun of, you have to know what Zhuangzi was making fun of.</p><p>&#8220;Prying Open Trunks&#8221; (&#32992;&#31691;) starts with a picture that everyone in ancient China would recognize. You&#8217;re worried about thieves, so you tie up your trunk with rope and lock it tight. That&#8217;s what the world calls being smart. Then a big thief comes along, picks up the whole trunk and runs off with it. His only worry is that your ropes and locks might not hold: &#12300;&#28982;&#32780;&#24040;&#30428;&#33267;&#65292;&#21063;&#36000;&#21297;&#25581;&#31691;&#25812;&#22218;&#32780;&#36264;&#65292;&#21807;&#24656;&#32216;&#32290;&#25155;&#37901;&#20043;&#19981;&#22266;&#20063;&#12290;&#12301;</p><p>Then Zhuangzi scales it up. Tian Chengzi (&#30000;&#25104;&#23376;) killed the ruler of Qi and took over the state. And Zhuangzi asks: was it only the state he stole? No. He stole the laws of the state along with it: &#12300;&#25152;&#30428;&#32773;&#35912;&#29544;&#20854;&#22283;&#37034;&#65311;&#20006;&#33287;&#20854;&#32854;&#30693;&#20043;&#27861;&#32780;&#30428;&#20043;&#12290;&#12301; The laws that were supposed to protect Qi gave the usurper a respectable government to hide behind. And, yes, this should sound familiar to you if you know anything about either history or current events.</p><p>That&#8217;s where the chapter&#8217;s most famous line comes from: &#12300;&#24444;&#31434;&#37476;&#32773;&#35461;&#65292;&#31434;&#22283;&#32773;&#28858;&#35576;&#20399;&#12290;&#12301; Steal a belt hook, and they execute you; steal a country, and you become a lord.</p><p>So here&#8217;s Zhuangzi&#8217;s argument. The cure feeds the disease. Every tool we invent to keep people honest, from scales and seals to laws and the great experts everyone looks up to, ends up as a tool for the biggest thieves. Get rid of all of it, and there&#8217;s nothing left to steal.</p><p>That&#8217;s the passage Baoyu was reading. It ends with stopping up the ears of Music Master Kuang, gluing shut the eyes of Li Zhu and breaking the fingers of Chui the Craftsman, the greatest ear, eye and hand in history.</p><p>So the book Baoyu picked up is already an argument that the things we prize most are the source of our trouble. Keep that in mind, because it&#8217;s exactly the move he makes.</p><h2>Is Zhuangzi Serious?</h2><p>Here&#8217;s the twist. Nobody agrees on whether Zhuangzi meant this literally either.</p><p>Zhuangzi tells us himself that most of his book isn&#8217;t meant straight. In the chapter called &#8220;Lodged Words&#8221; (&#23507;&#35328;), he says &#12300;&#23507;&#35328;&#21313;&#20061;&#12301;: nine-tenths of it is words put in someone else&#8217;s mouth, stories built to carry a point.</p><p>On the other hand, &#8220;Prying Open Trunks&#8221; probably wasn&#8217;t written by Zhuangzi at all. It&#8217;s in the Outer Chapters, and the British scholar A. C. Graham argued that this chapter and its neighbors (Chapters 8 through 10, and the start of 11) come from a later writer he called &#8220;the Primitivist,&#8221; angrier and more single-minded than Zhuangzi himself. Even the opening slogan is borrowed. &#32085;&#32854;&#26820;&#26234;, &#8220;cut off the sages and throw away wisdom,&#8221; comes straight from Chapter 19 of the <em>Daodejing</em>: &#12300;&#32085;&#32854;&#26820;&#26234;&#65292;&#27665;&#21033;&#30334;&#20493;&#12290;&#12301;</p><p>So you can read the chapter two ways. One camp reads it as a real program: go back to a simple life before civilization, the uncarved block. The other reads it as satire, deliberately outrageous, aimed at the Confucian moralists who thought more rules would make better people.</p><p>But notice what neither camp thinks. Nobody reads this chapter and decides the author wanted to go glue somebody&#8217;s eyes shut. Li Zhu and Music Master Kuang are legends. They stand for something. The violence is the style.</p><p>Hold on to that. It&#8217;s going to matter.</p><p>Joke, or confession? Let&#8217;s look at the evidence.</p><p><em>Get the next passage free in your inbox!</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:&quot;button-wrapper&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary button-wrapper" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/did-baoyu-mean-it/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/did-baoyu-mean-it/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Who Really Runs the House?]]></title><description><![CDATA[The Maid and The Mistress]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/who-really-runs-the-house</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/who-really-runs-the-house</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2026 10:03:16 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Hr7_!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe458dad1-11d7-40df-94a7-59c096b853a2_1456x900.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Recap:</em> On Tuesday, Baochai spent her visit quietly questioning Xiren, and then Xiren gave Baoyu the silent treatment. <em>(See <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-silent-treatment">The Silent Treatment</a>.)</em></p><p>A maid tells the heir of the family not to set foot in her room, and he sulks off to bed. How does a servant have that kind of power?</p><p>Simple: by borrowing it.</p><p>Hua Xiren holds power the same way Wang Xifeng does. Both of them borrow their authority from someone higher up. Both of them win by knowing more than anyone around them.</p><p>The difference between the two is how they spend this authority they borrow. Xifeng spends fear. Xiren spends affection.</p><p>Hold on to the word <em>borrow</em>. We&#8217;ll come back to it.</p><p><strong>A quick detour first</strong></p><p>Before I put these two side by side, it helps to know how old this theme really is.</p><p>The servant who knows more than the family is one of the oldest tricks in fiction. Let&#8217;s take a look.</p><p>Nelly Dean tells the whole story of <em>Wuthering Heights</em> (1847) to a stranger because she was the one in the room. Jeeves, who debuts in Wodehouse&#8217;s stories in 1915, keeps Bertie Wooster out of trouble, and the joke is that Bertie never sees it happen. Figaro outwits his own master in Beaumarchais&#8217;s plays, and the authorities fought for years to keep <em>The Marriage of Figaro</em> off the stage. And in <em>Downton Abbey</em>, Mr. Carson and Mrs. Hughes actually run the house; the Crawleys only <em>think</em> they run it.</p><p>The pattern is always the same. The family has the name, and the staff has the information.</p><p>That&#8217;s the background. Now back to the Jias, where the information belongs to two women.</p><p><strong>Xifeng: authority by token</strong></p><p>We&#8217;ll start with what we saw back in <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/chapter-13">Chapter 13</a>. When Qin Keqing&#8217;s funeral needs a manager, Jia Zhen offers Wang Xifeng the Ningguo Mansion token. As you may recall, she doesn&#8217;t just grab it. She looks at Lady Wang first, who tells her to go ahead, but not to act on her own initiative if problems come up. In other words, Xifeng&#8217;s power arrives with a leash.</p><p>Now look at how she uses that power.</p><p>She does what any good manager does: she works out what&#8217;s broken. Her list is five items long: too many people coming and going, nobody with clear duties, wasteful spending, unfair workloads, and arrogant staff. She fixes every one of these problems in Chapter 14. She holds a roll call at a quarter past five every morning. She assigns every broom and cushion to a named person. And when one woman shows up late, Xifeng says that if she&#8217;s lenient once, she&#8217;ll have to be lenient with everyone. The woman gets twenty strokes and loses a month&#8217;s pay and rations. <em>(See <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/chapter-14">Chapter 14</a>.)</em></p><p>The narrator&#8217;s verdict is that the old habits of shirking and pilfering were gone. Her system worked, and everyone was afraid of her.</p><p><strong>Xiren: authority by affection</strong></p><p>Now Xiren. She has no token and no title. In fact, the only thing she has going for her is the fact that Grandmother Jia gave her to Jia Baoyu. Everything she does rests on that.</p><p>Look at Chapter 19. Xiren&#8217;s mother and brother talk of buying her back, and Xiren tells Baoyu she&#8217;s leaving. Then the narrator lets us in on the trick. She had already told her family no. She wanted to test Baoyu&#8217;s feelings and take the fight out of him <em>before</em> she lectured him. <em>(See <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/servitude">Servitude</a> and <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/xirens-loyalty">Xiren&#8217;s Loyalty</a>.)</em></p><p>That&#8217;s the way Hua Xiren exercises her power. Once she&#8217;s seen how much he needs her, she sets her terms, which are three: no more talk of dying, at least pretend to like his books, and no more playing with the girls&#8217; rouge.</p><p>Notice how her argument works. She tells Baoyu the Jia family has never used its power to force its own way, and that Grandmother Jia and Lady Wang would never agree to keep her for no reason. She uses the family&#8217;s own reputation as her lever. Then on Tuesday, in Chapter 21, she reaches for the same tool: &#8220;I&#8217;ll go back to waiting on Grandmother Jia, same as before.&#8221; The threat works because Grandmother Jia is the one who gave her to him.</p><p><strong>Where they match</strong></p><p>Put the two women side by side and three things line up.</p><p>First, both know the roster. Xifeng demands the register of household members before she does anything else. Xiren packs Baoyu&#8217;s school things and knows his habits, down to his warm clothes.</p><p>Second, both stage a scene to set the terms. Xifeng&#8217;s is the roll call. Xiren&#8217;s is the threat to leave.</p><p>Third, both are borrowing. Xifeng holds Jia Zhen&#8217;s token under Lady Wang&#8217;s watch. Xiren holds Grandmother Jia&#8217;s gift. Neither can keep that power without the backing of someone above her, because neither is the owner.</p><p><strong>Where the comparison breaks</strong></p><p>Now, I know what you&#8217;re thinking. Xifeng is a mistress and Xiren is a maid, right? And, yeah, that difference is pretty important.</p><p>Look back at Xiren&#8217;s fight with Nanny Li. Nanny Li, sore about her gambling losses, takes it out on Baoyu&#8217;s maids. Xiren is sick in bed and can&#8217;t make her stop. What ends it is Xifeng, who takes the old woman by the arm, calls her &#8220;Nanny,&#8221; offers to beat whoever has been bad, and leads her off to a drink and a meal. <em>(See <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/hua-xiren-and-nanny-li-fight">Hua Xiren and Nanny Li Fight</a>.)</em></p><p>And that&#8217;s where you&#8217;ve got the difference between Hua Xiren and Wang Xifeng. Xifeng can have a woman beaten. Xiren can only go quiet. And Xiren, as Nanny Li reminds everyone, was bought for a few taels of silver.</p><p>Hua Xiren&#8217;s power is real, but it can be revoked. Xifeng&#8217;s can be revoked too, but only by someone a good deal higher up.</p><p><strong>So who runs the house?</strong></p><p>Neither of them owns the place. Grandmother Jia and Lady Wang sit above them both and wield the actual authority.</p><p>My verdict: Xiren is a small version of Xifeng, with less rank and a lighter hand. If you want to understand how this household really works, you&#8217;ve got to understand both of their methods.</p><p>So here&#8217;s my question for you. 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12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><div><hr></div><p><em><a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-silent-treatment">The Silent Treatment</a></em> is the translation post that accompanies this commentary. Members can read that post and every other post, plus the weekly podcast, for $5 a month.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p><strong>Comment prompt:</strong> Which would you rather work for: the boss who rules by fear, or the one who rules by making you feel needed? Tell me in the comments.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/who-really-runs-the-house/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/who-really-runs-the-house/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p><strong>Next in the story:</strong> On Thursday, Baoyu rewrites a chapter of Zhuangzi. <em>(Free.)</em> <strong>Go deeper:</strong> <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-silent-treatment">The Silent Treatment</a> (Tuesday, paid) <strong>Meet them:</strong> <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/hua-xiren">Hua Xiren</a> / Wang Xifeng / <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/characters">All the characters</a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Why Bopomofo Is Better Than Pinyin]]></title><description><![CDATA[Hear Shi Xiangyun&#8217;s Lisp For Yourself]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/why-bopomofo-is-better-than-pinyin</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/why-bopomofo-is-better-than-pinyin</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2026 10:03:39 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!abbw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e2efc91-e4f1-4cea-86c0-d329103f75ed_1920x1080.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>New Here?</strong></p><p>Today&#8217;s post is all about one of the oddest and most difficult to translate jokes in the classical Chinese novel Dream of the Red Chamber.  If you&#8217;re interested in starting from the beginning or figuring out what the heck is going on, <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/start-here-fff">I recommend starting here</a>.  You can also check out <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/characters">this page</a> for more on the many characters in the book.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!abbw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e2efc91-e4f1-4cea-86c0-d329103f75ed_1920x1080.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!abbw!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e2efc91-e4f1-4cea-86c0-d329103f75ed_1920x1080.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!abbw!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e2efc91-e4f1-4cea-86c0-d329103f75ed_1920x1080.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!abbw!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e2efc91-e4f1-4cea-86c0-d329103f75ed_1920x1080.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!abbw!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e2efc91-e4f1-4cea-86c0-d329103f75ed_1920x1080.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!abbw!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e2efc91-e4f1-4cea-86c0-d329103f75ed_1920x1080.png" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2e2efc91-e4f1-4cea-86c0-d329103f75ed_1920x1080.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:477137,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;A narrow column from a page of the 1792 printed edition of Dream of the Red Chamber, chapter 20, with the three characters &#24859;&#21733;&#21733; highlighted in red. Beside it, in large type: &#8220;Love Brother!&#8221; | &#31243;&#20057;&#26412;&#65288;1792&#65289;&#12298;&#32005;&#27155;&#22818;&#12299;&#31532;&#20108;&#21313;&#22238;&#26360;&#38913;&#30340;&#19968;&#27396;&#65292;&#12300;&#24859;&#21733;&#21733;&#12301;&#19977;&#23383;&#20197;&#32005;&#33394;&#27161;&#20986;&#65307;&#26049;&#37002;&#26159;&#33521;&#25991;&#35695;&#25991; &#8220;Love Brother!&#8221;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/i/222119274?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e2efc91-e4f1-4cea-86c0-d329103f75ed_1920x1080.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="A narrow column from a page of the 1792 printed edition of Dream of the Red Chamber, chapter 20, with the three characters &#24859;&#21733;&#21733; highlighted in red. Beside it, in large type: &#8220;Love Brother!&#8221; | &#31243;&#20057;&#26412;&#65288;1792&#65289;&#12298;&#32005;&#27155;&#22818;&#12299;&#31532;&#20108;&#21313;&#22238;&#26360;&#38913;&#30340;&#19968;&#27396;&#65292;&#12300;&#24859;&#21733;&#21733;&#12301;&#19977;&#23383;&#20197;&#32005;&#33394;&#27161;&#20986;&#65307;&#26049;&#37002;&#26159;&#33521;&#25991;&#35695;&#25991; &#8220;Love Brother!&#8221;" title="A narrow column from a page of the 1792 printed edition of Dream of the Red Chamber, chapter 20, with the three characters &#24859;&#21733;&#21733; highlighted in red. Beside it, in large type: &#8220;Love Brother!&#8221; | &#31243;&#20057;&#26412;&#65288;1792&#65289;&#12298;&#32005;&#27155;&#22818;&#12299;&#31532;&#20108;&#21313;&#22238;&#26360;&#38913;&#30340;&#19968;&#27396;&#65292;&#12300;&#24859;&#21733;&#21733;&#12301;&#19977;&#23383;&#20197;&#32005;&#33394;&#27161;&#20986;&#65307;&#26049;&#37002;&#26159;&#33521;&#25991;&#35695;&#25991; &#8220;Love Brother!&#8221;" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!abbw!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e2efc91-e4f1-4cea-86c0-d329103f75ed_1920x1080.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!abbw!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e2efc91-e4f1-4cea-86c0-d329103f75ed_1920x1080.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!abbw!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e2efc91-e4f1-4cea-86c0-d329103f75ed_1920x1080.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!abbw!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e2efc91-e4f1-4cea-86c0-d329103f75ed_1920x1080.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">&#31243;&#20057;&#26412; (1792), ch. 20. The word the joke turns on, &#24859;&#21733;&#21733;, is highlighted. Translation: redchamber.blog.</figcaption></figure></div><div id="youtube2-V7pVi_pHfQA" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;V7pVi_pHfQA&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/V7pVi_pHfQA?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>In today&#8217;s video, I argue that Bopomofo is better than pinyin. Bopomofo is an alphabet of 37 letters, and it can do something pinyin can&#8217;t: let you hear one particular joke. The video makes the case. This post gives you the text, the sounds, and the receipts, so you can check it yourself.</p><p>The joke comes from Chapter 20 of <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>. The whole scene is translated, free, here: <em><a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/love-brother">Love Brother</a></em>.</p><h2>The Setup</h2><p>Here&#8217;s the setup. Baoyu and Daiyu have just had their first real fight, about whose heart belongs to whom. Then their younger cousin Shi Xiangyun bursts in, and she has a lisp.</p><p>Keep one sound in your ear. A few posts earlier, the maid Ying&#8217;er claps her hands and cries &#8220;One! One!&#8221; at Jia Huan&#8217;s dice roll. <em>(See <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/dream-of-the-red-chamber-chapter">Jia Huan Cheats at Dice</a>.)</em> That&#8217;s the sound of this house at play.</p><h2>The Lines</h2><p>These are the lines the video quotes, from the 1792 edition. The Bopomofo sits over the key words. The letters in the joke are in red.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3rcH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef464db2-d167-4581-8cc3-a5754508ae3b_1456x1606.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3rcH!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef464db2-d167-4581-8cc3-a5754508ae3b_1456x1606.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3rcH!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef464db2-d167-4581-8cc3-a5754508ae3b_1456x1606.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3rcH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef464db2-d167-4581-8cc3-a5754508ae3b_1456x1606.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3rcH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef464db2-d167-4581-8cc3-a5754508ae3b_1456x1606.png 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3rcH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef464db2-d167-4581-8cc3-a5754508ae3b_1456x1606.png" width="1456" height="1606" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/ef464db2-d167-4581-8cc3-a5754508ae3b_1456x1606.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1606,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:210316,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Eight lines from Chapter 20 of Dream of the Red Chamber, in Chinese with an English line under each. Bopomofo is printed over the key words: &#24859; &#12574;&#715;, &#20108; &#12582;&#715; and &#24186; &#12583;&#12576;, plus &#21733;&#21733; &#12557;&#12572; &#729;&#12557;&#12572; in the first line. The characters &#24859; and &#20108; are in red. The lines run from Xiangyun&#8217;s &#8220;Love Brother! Sister Lin!&#8221; through Daiyu&#8217;s reply: &#8220;She can&#8217;t even get out &#8216;Second Brother.&#8217; It&#8217;s just &#8216;Love Brother&#8217; this and &#8216;Love Brother&#8217; that. When we play the dice game later on, you&#8217;ll be the one yelling &#8216;One, love, three!&#8217; again. | &#12298;&#32005;&#27155;&#22818;&#12299;&#31532;&#20108;&#21313;&#22238;&#20843;&#21477;&#21407;&#25991;&#65288;&#31243;&#20057;&#26412;&#65292;1792&#65289;&#65292;&#38364;&#37749;&#23383;&#19978;&#26041;&#21152;&#27880;&#38899;&#65306;&#24859;&#12574;&#715;&#12289;&#20108;&#12582;&#715;&#12289;&#24186;&#12583;&#12576;&#65292;&#27599;&#21477;&#19979;&#38468;&#33521;&#25991;&#12290;&#12300;&#24859;&#12301;&#12300;&#20108;&#12301;&#20197;&#32005;&#33394;&#27161;&#31034;&#12290;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/i/222119274?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef464db2-d167-4581-8cc3-a5754508ae3b_1456x1606.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Eight lines from Chapter 20 of Dream of the Red Chamber, in Chinese with an English line under each. Bopomofo is printed over the key words: &#24859; &#12574;&#715;, &#20108; &#12582;&#715; and &#24186; &#12583;&#12576;, plus &#21733;&#21733; &#12557;&#12572; &#729;&#12557;&#12572; in the first line. The characters &#24859; and &#20108; are in red. The lines run from Xiangyun&#8217;s &#8220;Love Brother! Sister Lin!&#8221; through Daiyu&#8217;s reply: &#8220;She can&#8217;t even get out &#8216;Second Brother.&#8217; It&#8217;s just &#8216;Love Brother&#8217; this and &#8216;Love Brother&#8217; that. When we play the dice game later on, you&#8217;ll be the one yelling &#8216;One, love, three!&#8217; again. | &#12298;&#32005;&#27155;&#22818;&#12299;&#31532;&#20108;&#21313;&#22238;&#20843;&#21477;&#21407;&#25991;&#65288;&#31243;&#20057;&#26412;&#65292;1792&#65289;&#65292;&#38364;&#37749;&#23383;&#19978;&#26041;&#21152;&#27880;&#38899;&#65306;&#24859;&#12574;&#715;&#12289;&#20108;&#12582;&#715;&#12289;&#24186;&#12583;&#12576;&#65292;&#27599;&#21477;&#19979;&#38468;&#33521;&#25991;&#12290;&#12300;&#24859;&#12301;&#12300;&#20108;&#12301;&#20197;&#32005;&#33394;&#27161;&#31034;&#12290;" title="Eight lines from Chapter 20 of Dream of the Red Chamber, in Chinese with an English line under each. Bopomofo is printed over the key words: &#24859; &#12574;&#715;, &#20108; &#12582;&#715; and &#24186; &#12583;&#12576;, plus &#21733;&#21733; &#12557;&#12572; &#729;&#12557;&#12572; in the first line. The characters &#24859; and &#20108; are in red. The lines run from Xiangyun&#8217;s &#8220;Love Brother! Sister Lin!&#8221; through Daiyu&#8217;s reply: &#8220;She can&#8217;t even get out &#8216;Second Brother.&#8217; It&#8217;s just &#8216;Love Brother&#8217; this and &#8216;Love Brother&#8217; that. 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Bopomofo and translation: redchamber.blog.</figcaption></figure></div><h2>Why &#20108; becomes &#24859;</h2><p>Baoyu is the second son, so everyone calls him &#20108;&#21733;&#21733;, &#8220;Second Brother.&#8221;</p><p>Xiangyun can&#8217;t make the sound of &#20108;. It&#8217;s <em>&#232;r</em> in pinyin, and in Bopomofo it gets a letter all to itself: &#12582;&#715;. When she tries, what comes out is &#12574;&#715;, &#24859;. So &#20108;&#21733;&#21733; becomes &#24859;&#21733;&#21733;.</p><p>And &#24859; means &#8220;love.&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;Second Brother&#8221; becomes &#8220;Love Brother,&#8221; minutes after a fight about love, in front of Daiyu. Then Daiyu pounces: &#8220;She can&#8217;t even get out &#8216;Second Brother.&#8217;&#8221; Even her dice-game &#8220;one, love, three&#8221; has the joke in it. The video does the rest, but look at the red letters in the image and say them out loud. &#12582;&#715;. &#12574;&#715;.</p><p>How did the English translators handle this? Hawkes and the Yangs each tried, and neither one could let an English reader hear it. We took it apart on Saturday&#8217;s podcast: <em><a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-jokes-translators-cant-save">Why Can&#8217;t Anyone Translate &#8220;Love Brother&#8221;?</a></em></p><h2>Why Daiyu says &#24186;, not &#19968;</h2><p>In &#24186;&#24859;&#19977;, &#8220;one, love, three,&#8221; the &#8220;one&#8221; isn&#8217;t &#19968; (<em>y&#299;</em>). It&#8217;s &#24186; (<em>y&#257;o</em>), an old word for the one on a die. My &#29694;&#20195;&#28450;&#35486;&#35422;&#20856; gives the same meaning: the one on dice and dominoes.</p><p>People in China still use it for &#8220;one&#8221; in phone numbers and room numbers. The reason is &#19971;, &#8220;seven.&#8221; &#19968; <em>y&#299;</em> and &#19971; <em>q&#299;</em> are easy to mix up on a bad line. So the dice game in Daiyu&#8217;s joke is still alive every time someone in Beijing gives you their number.</p><h2>The other joke in the scene</h2><p>Right before Xiangyun walks in, Daiyu teases Baoyu: &#22238;&#20358;&#20663;&#20102;&#39080;&#65292;&#21448;&#35442;&#39187;&#33879;&#21557;&#21507;&#30340;&#20102;. That&#8217;s &#8220;You&#8217;ll catch a cold, and they&#8217;ll make you go without food, and you&#8217;ll be whining for something to eat again.&#8221; It&#8217;s a reference to an old custom of curing a cold by starving it, the reverse of our &#8220;feed a cold, starve a fever.&#8221; Daiyu is predicting that he&#8217;ll catch cold, the household will stop feeding him, and he&#8217;ll make a fuss. She&#8217;s already worrying about him a few lines before she starts roasting everyone.</p><p>Tell me if I&#8217;m right. Or tell me what pinyin does better that I&#8217;ve left out.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/why-bopomofo-is-better-than-pinyin/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/why-bopomofo-is-better-than-pinyin/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><h2>Read the scene, then meet the girl</h2><p>If you came from the video, the next step is on this blog. Read the whole scene, free: <em><a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/love-brother">Love Brother</a></em>. Or meet the girl who can&#8217;t say &#20108;: <em><a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/shi-xiangyun">Shi Xiangyun</a></em>.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C9TG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7dcd238d-d968-4cc9-8c5e-9697cdaf813c_640x940.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C9TG!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7dcd238d-d968-4cc9-8c5e-9697cdaf813c_640x940.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C9TG!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7dcd238d-d968-4cc9-8c5e-9697cdaf813c_640x940.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C9TG!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7dcd238d-d968-4cc9-8c5e-9697cdaf813c_640x940.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C9TG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7dcd238d-d968-4cc9-8c5e-9697cdaf813c_640x940.png 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C9TG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7dcd238d-d968-4cc9-8c5e-9697cdaf813c_640x940.png" width="640" height="940" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7dcd238d-d968-4cc9-8c5e-9697cdaf813c_640x940.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:940,&quot;width&quot;:640,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:935738,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;A black-and-white woodblock-style illustration of a young woman resting her arm on a stone bench in a garden of rocks and flowers, with scattered petals and a round fan on the ground. 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The name &#21490;&#28248;&#38642; is carved on the rock behind her. | &#25913;&#29734;&#12298;&#32005;&#27155;&#22818;&#22294;&#35424;&#12299;&#65288;1879&#65289;&#20013;&#30340;&#21490;&#28248;&#38642;&#65306;&#22905;&#20506;&#33879;&#30707;&#20979;&#65292;&#36523;&#26049;&#26159;&#23665;&#30707;&#33287;&#33457;&#21474;&#65292;&#22320;&#19978;&#25955;&#33853;&#33457;&#29923;&#33287;&#19968;&#25226;&#22296;&#25159;&#12290;" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C9TG!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7dcd238d-d968-4cc9-8c5e-9697cdaf813c_640x940.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!C9TG!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7dcd238d-d968-4cc9-8c5e-9697cdaf813c_640x940.png 848w, 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&#25913;&#29734;&#12298;&#32005;&#27155;&#22818;&#22294;&#35424;&#12299;(Gai Qi, <em>Hongloumeng tuyong</em>), 1879.</figcaption></figure></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Why Every Great Love Story Needs A Good Fight]]></title><description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s not just about Jia Baoyu and Lin Daiyu]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/why-every-great-love-story-needs</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/why-every-great-love-story-needs</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2026 10:03:12 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8lyz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F69b15907-ff94-47da-8928-75505816c62b_1200x630.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Why Every Great Love Story Needs A Good Fight</h1><p class="button-wrapper" 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It&#8217;s the second big blow-up in just a few chapters. Back in Chapter 17, Daiyu cut up a half-finished sachet in a rage.</p><p>Now, when a book stages the same kind of scene twice, it&#8217;s worth asking what the scene is for.</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Concubine’s Son]]></title><description><![CDATA[Hints at an underlying problem]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-concubines-son</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-concubines-son</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2026 10:49:40 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>The Concubine&#8217;s Son</h1><p><em><strong>New here?</strong> I&#8217;m translating all 120 chapters of &#32005;&#27155;&#22818; (Dream of the Red Chamber) into modern American English, one passage at a time. Each passage comes with the Chinese text, a comparison with Hawkes and the Yangs, and notes on the hard words. We&#8217;re now in Chapter 20.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/start-here-fff&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Start Here&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/start-here-fff"><span>Start Here</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/about&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;How This Blog Works&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/about"><span>How This Blog Works</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>Jia Huan is upset, and rightfully so.  The truth is that he simply can&#8217;t win, no matter what.  After all, he can&#8217;t change his mother.</p><p>This is what we learned in yesterday&#8217;s translation post, which you can see here:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;1f2a2cb7-1e94-4777-84bd-9ed3a2c08ace&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Jia Huan Cheats&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Jia Huan Cheats at Dice&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-19T10:03:35.287Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XRBZ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faf3cbd79-e0bb-442a-b780-02295341073e_1810x1262.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/dream-of-the-red-chamber-chapter&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:221073364,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:3,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>The important part here isn&#8217;t the cheat, but, rather, this section:</p><blockquote><p>&#36249;&#23016;&#23064;&#35211;&#20182;&#36889;&#33324;&#65292;&#22240;&#21839;&#65306;&#12300;&#26159;&#37027;&#35041;&#22666;&#20102;&#36409;&#31401;&#20358;&#20102;&#65311;&#12301;&#36040;&#29872;&#20415;&#35498;&#65306;&#12300;&#21516;&#23542;&#22992;&#22992;&#29609;&#20358;&#33879;&#12290;&#40367;&#20818;&#27450;&#36000;&#25105;&#65292;&#36084;&#25105;&#30340;&#37666;&#65307;&#23542;&#29577;&#21733;&#21733;&#25862;&#20102;&#25105;&#20358;&#20102;&#12290;&#12301;&#36249;&#23016;&#23064;&#21840;&#36947;&#65306;&#12300;&#35504;&#21483;&#20320;&#19978;&#39640;&#33274;&#30436;&#20102;&#65311;&#19979;&#27969;&#27794;&#33225;&#30340;&#26481;&#35199;&#65281;&#37027;&#35041;&#29609;&#19981;&#24471;&#65311;&#35504;&#21483;&#20320;&#36305;&#20102;&#21435;&#35342;&#36889;&#27794;&#24847;&#24605;&#65311;&#12301;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>When his mother, Concubine Zhao, saw the state he was in, she asked, &#8220;Who walked all over you this time?&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;I was playing with Sister Bao,&#8221; said Jia Huan. &#8220;Ying&#8217;er picked on me and cheated me out of my money, and then Brother Baoyu chased me off.&#8221;</p><p>Concubine Zhao spat at him. &#8220;Who told you to go climbing up to the high table? You low-down, shameless thing! Couldn&#8217;t you play anywhere else? Who told you to run over there and go begging for humiliation?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Fragrant Jade]]></title><description><![CDATA[Another note on the mouse story]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/fragrant-jade</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/fragrant-jade</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2026 10:03:47 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Fragrant Jade</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>As I noted in yesterday&#8217;s post, Jia Baoyu&#8217;s story about the mice is pretty ridiculous:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;97d7fd52-0e75-4bf6-a6f7-ab38e161a2c8&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;The Mouse Story&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The Mouse Story&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-13T10:45:34.326Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!51qj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F082aa1b7-c4e3-4c76-847c-371036259925_524x1273.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-mouse-story&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:220173371,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:3,&quot;comment_count&quot;:3,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>The conclusion is a bad pun, sort of like a dad joke:</p><blockquote><p>&#12300;&#23567;&#32791;&#23376;&#29694;&#20102;&#24418;&#65292;&#31505;&#36947;&#65306;&#12302;&#25105;&#35498;&#20320;&#20497;&#27794;&#35211;&#19990;&#38754;&#65292;&#21482;&#35469;&#24471;&#36889;&#26524;&#23376;&#26159;&#39321;&#33419;&#65292;&#21371;&#19981;&#30693;&#40573;&#35506;&#26519;&#32769;&#29242;&#30340;&#23567;&#22992;&#65292;&#25165;&#26159;&#30495;&#27491;&#30340;&#12300;&#39321;&#29577;&#12301;&#21602;&#65281;&#12303;&#12301;</p><p>&#40667;&#29577;&#32893;&#20102;&#65292;&#32763;&#36523;&#29228;&#36215;&#20358;&#65292;&#25353;&#33879;&#23542;&#29577;&#65292;&#31505;&#36947;&#65306;&#12300;&#25105;&#25226;&#20320;&#36889;&#20491;&#29211;&#20102;&#22068;&#30340;&#65281;&#25105;&#23601;&#30693;&#36947;&#20320;&#26159;&#32232;&#27966;&#25105;&#21602;&#12290;&#12301;&#35498;&#33879;&#20415;&#25840;&#12290;&#23542;&#29577;&#36899;&#36899;&#22830;&#21578;&#65306;&#12300;&#22909;&#22969;&#22969;&#65292;&#39250;&#20102;&#25105;&#32631;&#65281;&#20877;&#19981;&#25954;&#20102;&#12290;&#25105;&#22240;&#28858;&#32862;&#35211;&#20320;&#30340;&#39321;&#27683;&#65292;&#24573;&#28982;&#24819;&#36215;&#36889;&#20491;&#25925;&#20856;&#20358;&#12290;&#12301;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>&#8220;The little mouse turned back to his original form and laughed. &#8216;I&#8217;m telling you, none of you have seen the world,&#8217; he explained. &#8216;You only know this fruit as a taro, or &#8216;xiangyu.&#8217; What you don&#8217;t understand is that the daughter of Mr. Lin, the salt commissioner, is the real &#8216;xiangyu,&#8217; the real &#8216;fragrant jade.&#8217;&#8221;</p><p>When Daiyu heard this part, she flipped herself over, scrambled over to Baoyu and pinned him down. &#8220;You moron!&#8221; she laughed. &#8220;I knew you were making it up about me!&#8221; And she started pinching him.</p><p>&#8220;Good sister, please spare me!&#8221; begged Baoyu again and again. &#8220;I won&#8217;t dare say anything like that again. I smelled your wonderful fragrance and suddenly remembered this old story.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p>However, there <em>might</em> be something more going on here than just a play on words.</p><p>There are a number of different interpretations out there of precisely what is happening.</p><p>The most obvious reading comes straight from the text itself.  In the first part of this scene, Jia Baoyu points out a sweet smell that he claims is coming from Lin Daiyu:</p><blockquote><p>&#23542;&#29577;&#32317;&#27794;&#32893;&#35211;&#36889;&#20123;&#35441;&#65292;&#21482;&#32862;&#35211;&#19968;&#32929;&#24189;&#39321;&#65292;&#21371;&#26159;&#24478;&#40667;&#29577;&#34966;&#20013;&#30332;&#20986;&#65292;&#32862;&#20043;&#20196;&#20154;&#37257;&#39746;&#37221;&#39592;&#12290;&#23542;&#29577;&#19968;&#25226;&#20415;&#23559;&#40667;&#29577;&#30340;&#34915;&#34966;&#25289;&#20303;&#65292;&#35201;&#30631;&#30631;&#31840;&#33879;&#20309;&#29289;&#12290;&#40667;&#29577;&#31505;&#36947;&#65306;&#12300;&#36889;&#26178;&#20505;&#65292;&#35504;&#24118;&#20160;&#40636;&#39321;&#21602;&#65311;&#12301;&#23542;&#29577;&#31505;&#36947;&#65306;&#12300;&#26082;&#22914;&#27492;&#65292;&#36889;&#39321;&#26159;&#24478;&#37027;&#35041;&#20358;&#30340;&#65311;&#12301;&#40667;&#29577;&#36947;&#65306;&#12300;&#36899;&#25105;&#20063;&#19981;&#30693;&#36947;&#65292;&#24819;&#24517;&#26159;&#27331;&#23376;&#35041;&#38957;&#30340;&#39321;&#27683;&#34224;&#26579;&#30340;&#20063;&#26410;&#21487;&#30693;&#12290;&#12301;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Baoyu didn&#8217;t listen to a word of this. He only smelled a subtle fragrance coming from Daiyu&#8217;s sleeve, a fragrance so intoxicating it made his soul drunk and his bones melt. He grabbed Daiyu&#8217;s sleeve to see what was hidden inside.</p><p>&#8220;Who wears perfume at this hour?&#8221; said Daiyu with a laugh.</p><p>&#8220;Then where is that smell coming from?&#8221; smiled Baoyu.</p><p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t even know,&#8221; said Daiyu. &#8220;Maybe it&#8217;s from the incense in the cabinet.&#8221;</p><p>Baoyu shook his head: &#8220;I doubt it. This scent is strange. It&#8217;s not like a scent cake or a scent ball or a satchet.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Me A Coffee&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen"><span>Buy Me A Coffee</span></a></p><p>The idea here is that the story itself is just Jia Baoyu commenting on the sweet smell that comes from Daiyu.  In other words, it&#8217;s really nothing but shameless flirting.</p><p>Some Redologists (&#32005;&#23416;&#23478;) are convinced that Cao Xueqin is making a sort of historical allusion.  Apparently there was a historical woman named Li Xiangyu (&#26446;&#39321;&#29577;) who was the granddaughter of Li Xu, the Suzhou Imperial Textile Commissioner during the Kangxi period of the Qing Dynasty.</p><p>This is actually discussed <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hant/%E6%9E%97%E9%BB%9B%E7%8E%89">on the Chinese Wikipedia page for Lin Daiyu</a>, which I&#8217;ve translated for you below:</p><blockquote><p>&#32147;&#36817;&#24180;&#20027;&#27969;&#32005;&#23416;&#23478;&#32771;&#35657;&#65292;&#26519;&#40667;&#29577;&#30340;&#21407;&#22411;&#28858;&#24247;&#29081;&#24180;&#38291;&#20219;&#34311;&#24030;&#32340;&#36896;&#26446;&#29030;&#30340;&#23403;&#22899;&#65292;&#21517;&#21483;&#26446;&#39321;&#29577;&#65292;&#20854;&#29238;&#26159;&#20219;&#20841;&#28142;&#40573;&#35506;&#30340;&#26446;&#40718;&#12290;&#26446;&#23478;&#65292;&#26361;&#23478;&#20197;&#21450;&#23403;&#23478;&#20043;&#38291;&#20114;&#26377;&#23035;&#35242;&#65292;&#25925;&#26361;&#38634;&#33465;&#21644;&#26446;&#39321;&#29577;&#24478;&#23567;&#32819;&#39714;&#24285;&#30952;&#20063;&#19981;&#36275;&#28858;&#22855;&#12290;&#28982;&#32780;&#25353;&#32005;&#23416;&#23478;&#21608;&#27741;&#26124;&#22312;&#12298;&#32005;&#27155;&#22818;&#26032;&#35657;&#12299;&#20013;&#30340;&#35498;&#27861;&#65292;&#26446;&#39321;&#29577;&#26356;&#26377;&#21487;&#33021;&#26159;&#21490;&#28248;&#38642;&#30340;&#21407;&#22411;&#65292;&#25925;&#23578;&#26410;&#26377;&#23450;&#35542;&#12290;</p><p>&#22312;&#12298;&#32005;&#27155;&#22818;&#12299;&#21313;&#20061;&#22238;&#12298;&#24773;&#20999;&#20999;&#33391;&#23477;&#33457;&#35299;&#35486;&#65292;&#24847;&#32191;&#32191;&#38748;&#26085;&#29577;&#29983;&#39321;&#12299;&#19968;&#22238;&#20013;&#65292;&#36040;&#23542;&#29577;&#21644;&#26519;&#40667;&#29577;&#30456;&#23565;&#32780;&#33253;&#65292;&#28858;&#23532;&#26519;&#40667;&#29577;&#30340;&#24515;&#65292;&#36040;&#23542;&#29577;&#32993;&#32232;&#20102;&#19968;&#20491;&#23567;&#32791;&#23376;&#20599;&#39321;&#33419;&#30340;&#25925;&#20107;&#65306;&#12300;&#19968;&#22825;&#65292;&#32769;&#32791;&#23376;&#21483;&#30526;&#32791;&#23376;&#20998;&#38957;&#21435;&#20599;&#31859;&#31975;&#21644;&#29916;&#26524;&#28858;&#33240;&#20843;&#31909;&#65292;&#19968;&#23567;&#32791;&#23376;&#33258;&#34214;&#21435;&#20599;&#39321;&#33419;&#12290;&#30526;&#32791;&#23376;&#31505;&#23427;&#36523;&#39636;&#30246;&#23567;&#65292;&#23567;&#32791;&#23376;&#33016;&#26377;&#25104;&#31481;&#22320;&#35498;&#65306;&#12302;&#25105;&#35722;&#25104;&#39321;&#33419;&#65292;&#28414;&#22312;&#39321;&#33419;&#22534;&#35041;&#65292;&#20351;&#20154;&#30475;&#19981;&#20986;&#8230;&#8230;&#21371;&#29992;&#20998;&#36523;&#27861;&#25644;&#36939;&#12290;&#12303;&#30526;&#32791;&#23376;&#21483;&#23427;&#35722;&#25104;&#39321;&#33419;&#30475;&#30475;&#12290;&#23567;&#32791;&#23376;&#23601;&#25622;&#36523;&#19968;&#35722;&#65292;&#21371;&#35722;&#25104;&#20102;&#19968;&#20491;&#26368;&#27161;&#33268;&#32654;&#35980;&#30340;&#23567;&#22992;&#12290;&#30526;&#32791;&#23376;&#35498;&#65306;&#12302;&#35722;&#37679;&#20102;&#12290;&#12303;&#23567;&#32791;&#23376;&#29694;&#24418;&#36947;&#65306;&#12302;&#25105;&#35498;&#20320;&#20497;&#27794;&#26377;&#35211;&#36942;&#19990;&#38754;&#65292;&#21482;&#35672;&#24471;&#36889;&#26524;&#23376;&#26159;&#39321;&#33419;&#65292;&#21371;&#19981;&#30693;&#36947;&#40573;&#35506;&#26519;&#32769;&#29242;&#30340;&#23567;&#22992;&#25165;&#26159;&#30495;&#27491;&#30340;&#39321;&#29577;&#21602;&#12290;&#12303;&#24456;&#26126;&#39023;&#65292;&#20316;&#32773;&#20511;&#36889;&#20491;&#25925;&#20107;&#26263;&#31034;&#65292;&#26519;&#40667;&#29577;&#23601;&#26159;&#26446;&#39321;&#29577;&#30340;&#21270;&#36523;&#12290; </p></blockquote><blockquote><p>In recent years, mainstream Redologists have concluded through textual research that Lin Daiyu&#8217;s prototype was the granddaughter of Li Xu, who served as the Suzhou Imperial Textile Commissioner during the Kangxi era. Her name was Li Xiangyu, and her father was Li Ding, who held the post of Lianghuai Salt Commissioner. The Li, Cao, and Sun families were all intermarried, so it is hardly surprising that Cao Xueqin and Li Xiangyu grew up in close childhood intimacy. However, according to the Redologist Zhou Ruchang in his work <em>New Evidence on Dream of the Red Chamber</em>, Li Xiangyu is more likely the prototype for Shi Xiangyun, so no definitive conclusion has yet been reached.</p><p>In Chapter 19 of Dream of the Red Chamber, titled &#8220;In a night filled with tender feelings, the flowers speak intelligibly; Through the lingering sweetness of a quiet day, the jade emits fragrance,&#8221; Jia Baoyu and Lin Daiyu lie facing each other. To soothe Lin Daiyu&#8217;s heart, Jia Baoyu makes up a story about a little mouse stealing taro: &#8220;One day, Old Mouse told all the mice to go their separate ways to steal rice, grain, and fruit for Laba porridge. One little mouse volunteered to steal the taro. The other mice laughed at him because he was so thin and small. The little mouse, full of confidence, said: &#8216;I&#8217;ll transform into a taro and roll in among the taro pile, so no one can tell the difference... and then I&#8217;ll use a body-doubling method to carry them off.&#8217; The other mice told him to transform into a taro so they could see. The little mouse gave himself a shake, and, lo and behold, he transformed into the most elegant and beautiful young lady. The other mice said, &#8216;You transformed wrong.&#8217; The little mouse reverted to his true form and said: &#8216;I tell you, you haven&#8217;t seen the world. You only recognize this fruit as taro, but you don&#8217;t know that the daughter of Mr. Lin, the Salt Commissioner, is the real &#8220;Fragrant Jade&#8221; [xiangyu].&#8217;&#8221; Clearly, the author uses this story to hint that Lin Daiyu is the incarnation of Li Xiangyu.</p></blockquote><p>As is usually the case with public commentary on <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>, we&#8217;re a bit too quick to jump into the &#8220;clearly&#8221; (&#24456;&#26126;&#39023;) line of reasoning.  While it&#8217;s certainly <em>possible</em> that Cao Xueqin was thinking of a friend namd Li Xiangyu when he wrote this story, we simply don&#8217;t have enough evidence to tie Li Xiangyu together with Lin Daiyu.</p><p>Besides, there&#8217;s actually a better explanation within the text of <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em> itself.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;PayPal Donation&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C"><span>PayPal Donation</span></a></p><p>Remember that Jia Baoyu proposed the name &#8220;Red Fragrance and Green Jade&#8221; (&#32005;&#39321;&#32160;&#29577;) for one of the buildings in the Grand View Garden back in chapter 17:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;7e323cc9-f487-4568-b3e7-32e56b4c5079&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Red Fragrance and Green Jade&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Red Fragrance and Green Jade&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; 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asked Jia Zheng.</p><p>&#8220;I propose &#8216;Red Fragrance and Green Jade,&#8217;&#8221; said Jia Baoyu. &#8220;That would beautifully capture the best of both.&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;That&#8217;s awful,&#8221; said Jia Zheng, shaking his head. &#8220;Simply awful.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p>Jia Yuanchun comes along in chapter 18 and changes the name entirely:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;1f8578ed-9fc7-4073-beed-d974a8d75682&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Renaming Everything&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Renaming Everything&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-08-20T11:48:54.768Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BpHT!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F180f99ac-b390-4cf9-88a9-26fa84478633_844x1257.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/renaming-everything&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:211990581,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:4,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><blockquote><p>&#21448;&#25913;&#38988;&#65306;&#12300;&#26377;&#40179;&#20358;&#20736;&#12301;&#65292;&#36060;&#21517;&#28703;&#28248;&#39208;&#12290;&#12300;&#32005;&#39321;&#32160;&#29577;&#12301;&#65292;&#25913;&#20316;&#12300;&#24609;&#32005;&#24555;&#32160;&#12301;&#65292;&#36060;&#21517;&#24609;&#32005;&#38498;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Jia Yuanchun also changed some of the other inscriptions. She named the building with the inscription &#8220;The Phoenix Arrives in Ritual Splendor&#8221; the &#8220;The Xiaoxiang Building.&#8221; She changed the inscription &#8220;Red Fragrance and Green Jade&#8221; to &#8220;Delighting in Red and Rejoicing in Green,&#8221; and called the building &#8220;The Red Delight Building.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p>Now, notice the two characters that Jia Yuanchun took away from the name of this building.  These would be &#39321; and &#29577;, which makes &#39321;&#29577; (fragrant jade) when you put them together.</p><p>The idea here is that Cao Xueqin is foreshadowing the fact that some sort of imperial intervention will keep Jia Baoyu apart from Lin Daiyu.  This relies in part on a color focused interpretation that we&#8217;ll come back to later, especially when we discover which character winds up living in each building in the Grand View Garden.</p><p>Could all of these interpretations be correct?  Of course.  And the thing that is most fascinating here is that Cao Xueqin is able to take an otherwise nonsensical story and give it so many layers.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/fragrant-jade/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/fragrant-jade/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Sex in Dream of the Red Chamber]]></title><description><![CDATA[Sex in Dream of the Red Chamber]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/sex-in-dream-of-the-red-chamber</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/sex-in-dream-of-the-red-chamber</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2026 10:04:42 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/youtube/w_728,c_limit/HbgPrmaQ-AY" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Sex in Dream of the Red Chamber</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>It&#8217;s no secret that the modern world of corporate censorship makes it so that we can&#8217;t talk like adults about certain adult subjects.</p><p>This is why I had to use some interesting and unusual ways to refer to sexuality in my latest video:</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Me A Coffee&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen"><span>Buy Me A Coffee</span></a></p><div id="youtube2-HbgPrmaQ-AY" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;HbgPrmaQ-AY&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/HbgPrmaQ-AY?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>The truth is that modern society tends to have a lot of odd and bizarre sexual hangups.  And there&#8217;s really a lot we can learn about human sexuality from novels like <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>.</p><p>One of the fascinating things about Cao Xueqin&#8217;s novel is that it deals with human sexuality in a mature and adult manner.  In other words, rather than prattling on and on about the anatomic features of a certain character, Cao Xueqin spends his time writing about how characters relate to one another.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;PayPal Donation&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C"><span>PayPal Donation</span></a></p><p>That&#8217;s not to say that the characters don&#8217;t have sex lives.  They do.  And, in fact, the characters in <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em> seem to <em>always</em> be sleeping around with each other.  And if the occasional references to actual sexual activity aren&#8217;t enough, there are also all sorts of innuendos and oblique references to sexual desire throughout the book.</p><p>This is one of the things that makes <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em> so fascinating, of course.  But it&#8217;s not just a book about sex.</p><p>Rather, it&#8217;s a book about actual human connection.  And, in my mind, that&#8217;s what sets this novel apart from run of the mill books that occasionally include a steamy scene.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/sex-in-dream-of-the-red-chamber/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/sex-in-dream-of-the-red-chamber/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[How Does Hua Xiren Really Feel?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Time for a discussion]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/how-does-hua-xiren-really-feel</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/how-does-hua-xiren-really-feel</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2026 11:47:24 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>How Does Hua Xiren Really Feel?</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>Today&#8217;s post will be short and a little bit unusual.</p><p>After reading <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/servitude">this post</a> about Hua Xiren&#8217;s frustrations in the Jia family, and following it up with <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/xirens-loyalty">yesterday&#8217;s post</a> in which her true feelings are made clear, I&#8217;m curious to know what you think.</p><p>It&#8217;s clear that Hua Xiren is testing Jia Baoyu&#8217;s loyalty to her.  It&#8217;s also interesting that she would use this particular technique to test his loyalty.  I think it says a lot about her as a character, and it&#8217;s not everybody who will say the complete opposite of what they really think to see if someone close to them actually cares for them.</p><p>But what do you think about their relationship?  What do you think Hua Xiren&#8217;s <em>true</em> feelings are towards Jia Baoyu?</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/how-does-hua-xiren-really-feel/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/how-does-hua-xiren-really-feel/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Why Jia Baoyu Visited Hua Xiren]]></title><description><![CDATA[Why Jia Baoyu Visited Hua Xiren]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/why-jia-baoyu-visited-hua-xiren</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/why-jia-baoyu-visited-hua-xiren</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2026 11:48:13 GMT</pubDate><enclosure 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If it doesn&#8217;t seem strange, congratulations, because it certainly seemed strange to me.</p><p>Jia Baoyu visits Hua Xiren on the spur of the moment.  He arrives at her family&#8217;s small house, surprises everybody, has a few things to eat, lets the other girls look at his jade, and then disappears.</p><p>So why is this section even in the book?</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Naughty Bits]]></title><description><![CDATA[Sex in Dream of the Red Chamber]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-naughty-bits</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-naughty-bits</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2026 09:58:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mdrS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe7a8a169-a062-4f8b-ab19-539ae3f8dde2_640x480.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>The Naughty Bits</h1><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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Wang&#8217;er:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;9e66058b-a424-40b1-9db7-8f9b40e7ae35&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Mingyan Gets It On&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Mingyan Gets It On&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; 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had just reached the window when he heard heavy breathing coming from the room. &#8220;Has the beautiful woman truly come to life?&#8221; thought Baoyu in amazement. Baoyu eventually worked up his courage, licked a hole in the paper of the window, and peeked inside.</p><p>It turns out that the beauty in the scroll hadn&#8217;t come to life. Instead, Baoyu saw Mingyan on top of a girl, doing the thing that the Goddess had taught Baoyu earlier. The two of them were in a deep passionate moment, and they were moaning loudly.</p></blockquote><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Me A Coffee&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen"><span>Buy Me A Coffee</span></a></p><p>This isn&#8217;t the first example of hanky-panky we&#8217;ve seen so far in <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>.  You might remember this example from the beginning of chapter 6:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;8d096aaf-b75e-4537-9aa0-90195b2ac00e&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Jia Baoyu's First Sexual Encounter&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Jia Baoyu's First Sexual Encounter&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-09-10T10:00:37.243Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G14p!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e7dbd8c-8d1f-4660-baca-87498352c739_2057x1547.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/jia-baoyus-first-sexual-encounter&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:172975397,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:5,&quot;comment_count&quot;:1,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><blockquote><p>&#35186;&#20154;&#26412;&#26159;&#20491;&#32880;&#26126;&#22899;&#23376;&#65292;&#24180;&#32000;&#21448;&#27604;&#23542;&#29577;&#22823;&#20841;&#27506;&#65292;&#36817;&#20358;&#20063;&#28472;&#30465;&#20154;&#20107;&#65292;&#20170;&#35211;&#23542;&#29577;&#22914;&#27492;&#20809;&#26223;&#65292;&#24515;&#20013;&#20415;&#35258;&#23519;&#20102;&#19968;&#21322;&#65292;&#19981;&#35258;&#25226;&#20491;&#31881;&#33225;&#32670;&#30340;&#39131;&#32005;&#12290;&#36930;&#19981;&#22909;&#20877;&#21839;&#65292;&#20173;&#33290;&#29702;&#22909;&#34915;&#35059;&#65292;&#38568;&#33267;&#36040;&#27597;&#34389;&#20358;&#12290;&#32993;&#20098;&#21507;&#36942;&#26202;&#39151;&#65292;&#36942;&#36889;&#37002;&#20358;&#65292;&#36225;&#30526;&#22902;&#23363;&#20011;&#39711;&#19981;&#22312;&#26049;&#26178;&#65292;&#21478;&#21462;&#20986;&#19968;&#20214;&#20013;&#34915;&#65292;&#33287;&#23542;&#29577;&#25563;&#19978;&#12290;</p><p>&#23542;&#29577;&#21547;&#32670;&#22830;&#21578;&#36947;&#65306;&#12300;&#22909;&#22992;&#22992;&#65292;&#21315;&#33836;&#21029;&#21578;&#35380;&#20154;&#12290;&#12301;&#35186;&#20154;&#20063;&#21547;&#33879;&#32670;&#24708;&#24708;&#30340;&#31505;&#21839;&#36947;&#65306;&#12300;&#20320;&#28858;&#20160;&#40636;&#12301;&#35498;&#21040;&#36889;&#35041;&#65292;&#25226;&#30524;&#21448;&#24448;&#22235;&#19979;&#35041;&#30631;&#20102;&#30631;&#65292;&#25165;&#21448;&#21839;&#36947;&#65306;&#12300;&#37027;&#26159;&#37027;&#35041;&#27969;&#20986;&#20358;&#30340;&#65311;&#12301;&#23542;&#29577;&#21482;&#31649;&#32005;&#33879;&#33225;&#65292;&#19981;&#35328;&#35486;&#65292;&#35186;&#20154;&#21371;&#21482;&#30597;&#33879;&#20182;&#31505;&#12290;&#36978;&#20102;&#19968;&#26371;&#65292;&#23542;&#29577;&#25165;&#25226;&#22818;&#20013;&#20043;&#20107;&#32048;&#35498;&#33287;&#35186;&#20154;&#32893;&#12290;&#35498;&#21040;&#38642;&#38632;&#31169;&#24773;&#65292;&#32670;&#30340;&#35186;&#20154;&#25513;&#38754;&#20239;&#36523;&#32780;&#31505;&#12290;&#23542;&#29577;&#20134;&#32032;&#21916;&#35186;&#20154;&#26580;&#23194;&#23011;&#20431;&#65292;&#36930;&#24375;&#25289;&#35186;&#20154;&#21516;&#38936;&#35686;&#24187;&#25152;&#31061;&#25480;&#20043;&#20107;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Now, Xiren was an intelligent girl to begin with, and was also about two years older than Baoyu. She had recently begun to learn about sexual matters. And so, seeing Baoyu in this state, she guessed what had happened. Instinctively, her cheeks quickly turned red with embarrassment.</p><p>And so she thought it would be best not to ask more. Having straightened his clothes properly, she accompanied him to see Grandmother Jia. After he had hurried through his dinner and returned to his room, she waited for a moment when the other maids were not nearby. Then, taking out a fresh pair of underwear, she helped Baoyu change into it.</p><p>&#8220;Dear sister,&#8221; Baoyu said, blushing with shame, &#8220;whatever you do, please don&#8217;t tell anyone.&#8221;</p><p>Xiren, also blushing, asked him quietly with a suppressed smile: &#8220;Why did you&#8230;&#8221; At this point, she glanced around cautiously again, and then continued: &#8220;Where did that come from?&#8221;</p><p>Baoyu simply blushed deep red and said nothing. Xiren, however, gazed at him with a smile. After a long pause, Baoyu finally told her the events of his dream in detail.</p><p>When Baoyu spoke of the sexual encounter in his dream, Xiren was so overcome with shyness that she covered her face, doubled over, and laughed.</p><p>Since Baoyu had always been fond of Xiren for her gentle, charming, and lovely nature, he then insistently shared with Xiren the secret techniques the Goddess taught him.</p></blockquote><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;PayPal Donation&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C"><span>PayPal Donation</span></a></p><p>And, of course, there are all sorts of direct and frank references to homosexuality in <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/chapter-9">chapter 9</a>:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;a32a501c-9736-40d5-9354-e223f61a79d2&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;More Homosexual Scandals&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;More Homosexual Scandals&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-12-21T11:02:43.457Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ay84!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe89f50af-907a-4d0c-81b2-6a6de7e85bcd_1099x1260.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/more-homosexual-scandals&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:182141403,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:3,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><blockquote><p>&#37329;&#27054;&#36234;&#30332;&#24471;&#20102;&#24847;&#65292;&#25622;&#38957;&#21634;&#22068;&#30340;&#65292;&#21475;&#20839;&#36996;&#35498;&#35377;&#22810;&#38290;&#35441;&#12290;&#29577;&#24859;&#20559;&#21448;&#32893;&#35211;&#65292;&#20841;&#20491;&#20154;&#38548;&#24231;&#21653;&#21653;&#21799;&#21799;&#30340;&#35282;&#36215;&#21475;&#20358;&#12290;&#37329;&#27054;&#21482;&#19968;&#21475;&#21676;&#23450;&#65292;&#35498;&#65306;&#12300;&#26041;&#25165;&#26126;&#26126;&#30340;&#25758;&#35211;&#20182;&#20841;&#20491;&#22312;&#24460;&#38498;&#35041;&#35242;&#22068;&#25720;&#23617;&#32929;&#65292;&#20841;&#20491;&#21830;&#35696;&#23450;&#20102;&#65292;&#19968;&#23565;&#19968;&#32911;&#65292;&#25733;&#33609;&#26681;&#20818;&#25277;&#38263;&#30701;&#65292;&#35504;&#38263;&#35504;&#20808;&#24185;&#65281;&#12301;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Jin Rong became more and more pleased with himself. He shook his head, clicked his tongue, and began muttering all sorts of things. Yu&#8217;ai, who happened to overhear him, started to argue with him through a series of whispers across the seats.</p><p>Jin Rong spoke loudly and confidently. &#8220;I just caught them in the courtyard,&#8221; he said. &#8220;They were kissing and grabbing each other&#8217;s bottoms. In fact, they had already agreed, and were getting ready to fuck each other. They were pulling up blades of grass to see whose stalk was longer. The one who got the longer one would go first!&#8221;</p></blockquote><p>And I could go on.</p><p>The truth is that <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em> follows the pattern set by &#37329;&#29942;&#26757;, or <em>The Plum in the Golden Vase</em>, which is clearly the most controversial of the classical Chinese novels.  <em>The Plum in the Golden Vase</em> is extremely sexually explicit, so much so that I&#8217;m not going to quote any passages here.  <em>The Plum in the Golden Vase</em> is also notorious for being likely the most banned book in the history of Chinese literature, despite the obvious fact that there is a lot of literary merit and significance to the book.</p><p><em>The Plum in the Golden Vase</em> is somewhat similar to <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_Hill">Fanny Hill</a></em>, the 18th century British erotic novel that wound up striking down obscenity laws throughout the United States and Europe in the 1960s.  See, for example, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoirs_v._Massachusetts">Memoirs v Massachusetts</a>; my understanding is that <em>Fanny Hill</em> played a similar role in numerous European court cases around the same time.</p><p>The problem, of course, is that you can&#8217;t discount <em>Fanny Hill</em> or <em>The Plum in the Golden Vase</em> as trash or lacking literary merit merely because of the sexual content.  And this is even more true of <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>, where the naked sexuality is thankfully an occasional sideshow and not the entire plot of the book.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-naughty-bits/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-naughty-bits/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Pinyin]]></title><description><![CDATA[A look at life before Pinyin]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/pinyin</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/pinyin</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2026 10:03:23 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/youtube/w_728,c_limit/31XKTx2foT0" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Pinyin</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>It&#8217;s kind of hard to believe these days, but there was once a time when using Pinyin to write romanized Chinese was almost like a political statement.</p><p>In fact, Pinyin was so fraught with controversy that even Gladys Yang&#8217;s <em>A Dream of Red Mansions</em> used the old Wade-Giles convention.</p><p>Wade-Giles, of course, is pretty confusing, especially if the person writing the article or translation or book or whatever it is neglects to use the apostrophes.  And, well, it turns out that the Yangs didn&#8217;t bother to worry too much about apostrophes in their translation of <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>:</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Me A Coffee&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen"><span>Buy Me A Coffee</span></a></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ywmA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8bc4ba5c-1b16-4b05-b39f-e4d495be6be3_1092x568.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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And, of course, back in the 1970s Pinyin wasn&#8217;t really understood all that well, prompting Hawkes to include notes like this in the beginning of many of the volumes of <em>The Story of the Stone</em>:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Oa1m!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd4df5606-78bc-45d9-835b-0dd4eea8c72c_969x734.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Oa1m!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd4df5606-78bc-45d9-835b-0dd4eea8c72c_969x734.png 424w, 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My favorite example of this is <em>The Cambridge History of China</em>.  The history is fantastic, but the romanization leaves a lot to be desired:</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;PayPal Donation&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C"><span>PayPal Donation</span></a></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7jAs!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff34810a2-7fba-48ad-8c46-72bc4b6c8cdd_924x545.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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But still, you get the feeling with Wade-Giles that every single word starts with a t or ch or tz or ts, and the apostrophes are just annoying after a while.</p><p>Anyway, all this and more is the topic of my latest video:</p><div id="youtube2-31XKTx2foT0" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;31XKTx2foT0&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/31XKTx2foT0?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>All I can say is that I&#8217;m happy to have Pinyin.  The alternative is anything but pretty.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/pinyin/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/pinyin/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Coming Disaster]]></title><description><![CDATA[Why yesterday&#8217;s short post is important]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-coming-disaster</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-coming-disaster</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 11:45:59 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>The Coming Disaster</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>Cao Xueqin has an odd habit of trying to draw no attention at all to some of his most significant passages.</p><p>We saw one yesterday, though you probably didn&#8217;t realize it at the time:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;08c3037d-23bd-45b4-9ab1-58c16894631e&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;The Night Filled With Tender Feelings&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The Night Filled With Tender Feelings&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-09-23T11:10:25.644Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ac2s!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd9a898b2-0d38-425d-a837-1ed7d984e75b_337x1282.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-night-filled-with-tender-feelings&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:217055587,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:1,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>The issue here comes in this part, where the Emperor rewards the Jia family for taking such good care of Jia Yuanchun:</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Me A Coffee&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen"><span>Buy Me A Coffee</span></a></p><p>&#40845;&#38991;&#29978;&#24709;&#65292;&#21448;&#30332;&#20839;&#24081;&#32181;&#32222;&#37329;&#37504;&#31561;&#29289;&#65292;&#20197;&#36060;&#36040;&#25919;&#21450;&#21508;&#26898;&#25151;&#31561;&#21729;</p><p>The Emperor was extremely pleased. He sent gifts of silks, brocades, gold, silver, and so on from his personal treasury to reward Jia Zheng and the various members of Jia Yuanchun&#8217;s family.</p><p>So what&#8217;s the problem with this?</p><p>The problem lies in the concept of a &#20839;&#24081;, or the Empror&#8217;s own personal purse.</p><p>Now, this might strike you as a more intimate act of grace, as if he were trying to tie himself closer to the Jia family.  And I can see how members of the Jia family would also interpret things this way.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;PayPal Donation&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C"><span>PayPal Donation</span></a></p><p>However, by avoiding using the state funds (probably something like &#22283;&#24235;), the Emperor is basically making the Jia family subservient to his own whims.  The Jia family is quickly turning into a family that is entirely dependent on the grace and favor of the current reigning Emperor, which is extremely dangerous.</p><p>This is dangerous because there was a concept at the time of collective guilt.  In other words, if anything were to happen to Jia Yuanchun for any reason, her entire family would be at risk because of this personal patronage.</p><p>As I&#8217;ve noted before, this really points at the fundamental issue that the Jia family faces.  Since none of the males in the family have successfully passed the imperial exams, the family has no way to guarantee that it can continue the way of life it has been accustomed to.  And, if Jia Baoyu continues to not take the imperial examinations seriously, disaster is indeed inevitable.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-coming-disaster/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-coming-disaster/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Where We’re Going With This]]></title><description><![CDATA[A quick look into the future]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/where-were-going-with-this</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/where-were-going-with-this</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2026 11:40:46 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where We&#8217;re Going With This</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>Instead of looking back at where we&#8217;ve been, I wanted to give you a sneak picture of where <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em> is going from here.</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Dream of the Red Chamber Edition Guide]]></title><description><![CDATA[A quick reference for all students]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/dream-of-the-red-chamber-edition</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/dream-of-the-red-chamber-edition</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 10:16:55 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/youtube/w_728,c_limit/zC_dyeDot8I" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Dream of the Red Chamber Edition Guide</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>You might remember the video I came out with the other day:</p><div id="youtube2-zC_dyeDot8I" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;zC_dyeDot8I&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/zC_dyeDot8I?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>If you haven&#8217;t seen it yet, go check it out.</p><p>Anyway, I originally wanted Monday&#8217;s post to be a full guide to the various editions of <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em> that are out there.  However, I wound up spending more time doing research on those editions than actually piecing together a post.</p><p>To make up for that, I&#8217;ll just make today&#8217;s post the edition guide.  Here are the raw notes that I took while piecing together the video, complete with a few comments about where these editions come from.</p><p>I&#8217;m putting this out for free for all of you who are curious students of this book.  It can take quite a bit of time to piece all of this together, especially since almost all the information out there is in Chinese.  The names of these manuscripts and variations are also difficult to piece together even if your native language is Chinese.</p><p>Anyway, here goes:</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Me A Coffee&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen"><span>Buy Me A Coffee</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h2>Manuscripts</h2><p>This includes all handwritten copies of <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>.  Most of these include commentary in red, which is the famous &#33026;&#30831;&#40779; (Zhiyanzhai, or red inkstone) commentary.  None of these are original manuscripts; they are all copies of copies.</p><p><strong>1754 &#30002;&#25100;&#26412; Jiaxu manuscript</strong></p><ul><li><p>Purchased by Hu Shi in 1927; is now at Cornell university</p></li><li><p>Chapters 1-8, 13-16, and 25-28; original probably had 80 chapters.</p></li><li><p>Most copies we have are black and white. A color version was printed in Taiwan in 1961 but is rare.</p></li></ul><p><strong>1759 &#24049;&#21359;&#26412; Jimao manuscript</strong></p><ul><li><p>Held in National Library of China, Beijing</p></li><li><p>Originally 41 chapters with 13 recovered later for a total of 54 chapters (this is confusing, I know)</p></li></ul><p><strong>1760 &#24218;&#36784;&#26412; Gengchen</strong></p><ul><li><p>In Peking University library</p></li><li><p>78 chapters survive; chapters 64 and 67 are missing, and chapters 17 and 18 are unseparated</p></li><li><p>This is the most complete &#8220;zhi commentary&#8221; version and is the basis for most of the modern critical versions of the novel</p></li><li><p>This one is the reason why you see chapters 17 and 18 combined in official published editions of the book.</p></li></ul><p><strong>&#25114;&#24207;&#26412; Qi-Preface</strong></p><ul><li><p>Manuscripts that contain a preface by Qi Liaosheng (&#25114;&#34044;&#29983;) who was a scholar-official in the 18<sup>th</sup> century</p></li><li><p>This includes all 80 chapters with integrated commentary</p></li><li><p>These were the earliest manuscripts to reach the public, going back to a photographic reproduction in 1911.</p></li><li><p>There are numerous versions of this manuscript out there, which can be pretty confusing.  The thing they all have in common is the Qi Liaosheng preface.</p></li></ul><p><strong>&#33945;&#24220;&#26412; Mongol Prince Mansion</strong></p><ul><li><p>Found in a Mongol Prince palace in the 1960s</p></li><li><p>120 chapters, but the last 40 chapters are unique</p></li><li><p>The final 40 chapters are usually considered a later patchwork and are likely not a Cao Xueqin original</p></li><li><p>Some variants in first 80 chapters</p></li></ul><p><strong>&#21015;&#34255;&#26412; Leningrad</strong></p><ul><li><p>Found in Leningrad in the 1960s; brought to China in the 1980s for study</p></li><li><p>78 chapters with some commentary but less than other manuscripts</p></li><li><p>Also has some unique readings</p></li><li><p>Seems to have gone from China to Russia sometime in the 1830s.</p></li></ul><p><strong>&#26790;&#31295;&#26412; Dream</strong></p><ul><li><p>Owned by Qing dynasty scholar Yang jizhen (&#26954;&#32380;&#25391;); he got it sometime in the 19<sup>th</sup> century</p></li><li><p>120 chapters</p></li><li><p>First 80 chapters seem to be a printed-style text</p></li><li><p>Last 40 chapters have traces of a revised draft</p></li><li><p>Could this be an earlier version of what Cheng Weiyuan and Gao E were working on?</p></li></ul><p><strong>&#26954;&#34255;&#26412; The Yang Manuscript</strong></p><ul><li><p>This seems to have originally been published in 1973. This is a 120 chapter manuscript covered with deletions and so forth.</p></li></ul><p>&#21335;&#22294;&#26412; The &#8220;Nanjing Library&#8221; version</p><ul><li><p>Probably came from sometime in the middle of the 19<sup>th</sup> century, kind of hard to tell</p></li><li><p>Includes Zhiyanzhai commentaries and the Qi Liaosheng preface</p></li></ul><p><strong>1784 &#30002;&#36784;&#26412; Jiachen</strong></p><ul><li><p>Dated 1784 in the text</p></li><li><p>80 chapters</p></li><li><p>Includes a preface by Mengjuezhuren (&#22818;&#35258;&#20027;&#20154;)</p></li><li><p>Shows some editorial interventions, and seems to be a textual bridge</p></li></ul><p><strong>1789 &#33298;&#24207;&#26412; Shu-Preface</strong></p><ul><li><p>Dated 1789</p></li><li><p>Only 40 chapters</p></li><li><p>With preface by Shu Yuwei (&#33298;&#20803;&#29010;)</p></li></ul><p><strong>&#37073;&#34255;&#26412; Zheng Zang Ben</strong></p><ul><li><p>Chapter 23 only</p></li><li><p>Discovered in Zheng Zhenduo&#8217;s collection</p></li></ul><p><strong>&#21342;&#34255;&#26412; Bian Zang Ben</strong></p><ul><li><p>10 chapters that surfaced in 2006</p></li><li><p>Some people think this is a modern fake</p></li></ul><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;PayPal Donation&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C"><span>PayPal Donation</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h2>Printed Versions</h2><p>There are hundreds of different printed versions of <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>, probably because the text itself is not under copyright.  It&#8217;s common to see random editions spring up from small and somewhat bizarre publishing companies in random parts of China.  Some of these use font sizes that are so small that the text is literally unreadable.</p><p>I like to collect these different versions.  However, the list below includes only the major variants that I am aware of rather than including every single different possible permutation of the book.</p><p><strong>1791 &#31243;&#30002;&#26412; Cheng Jia edition</strong></p><ul><li><p>First completed and printed 120 chapter edition</p></li><li><p>Lots of differences from the old manuscripts with red ink commentary</p></li><li><p>Includes preface in which Gao E and Cheng Weiyuan explain that the final 40 chapters were reconstructed based on different manuscripts.</p></li><li><p>This was the most popular version of the text until 1927; almost all easily accessible versions were this text.</p></li></ul><p><strong>1792 &#31243;&#20057;&#26412; Cheng Yi edition</strong></p><ul><li><p>Revised edition that formed the base of the most popular version of this book in the 20<sup>th</sup> century</p></li><li><p>Most changes in this version came to the final 40 chapters.</p></li><li><p>Includes additional preface note with more explanation about the provenance of the final 40 chapters; Gao E and Cheng Weiyuan claim that they found better quality original manuscripts of these chapters, but offer no real provenance information or explanation.</p></li><li><p>This is generally considered the popular version of the novel to this day; chances are that your Chinese grandparents read this version.</p></li></ul><p><strong>&#19977;&#23478;&#35413;&#26412; 19<sup>th</sup> century commentary version</strong></p><ul><li><p>Includes three different commentators: Wang Xilian (&#29579;&#24076;&#24265;), Zhang Xinzhi (&#24373;&#26032;&#20043;), and Yao Xie</p></li><li><p>This is what basically cemented the Cheng-Gao base in the understanding of this novel.</p></li><li><p>These commentaries did not take into consideration any manuscripts, which were difficult to find and very obscure.</p></li></ul><p><strong>Yadong Editions &#20126;&#26481;&#29256;</strong></p><ul><li><p>Published by Yadong Library in Shanghai</p></li><li><p>Prefaces by Hu Shi and Chen Duxiu</p></li><li><p>1921 edition was the Cheng Yi edition with Hu Shi&#8217;s preface; this is what turned the novel into a modern printed book</p></li><li><p>1927 edition was this version with further revisions and used the 1792 text as the base.</p></li><li><p>This is the version most prominent in the Republic of China era</p></li></ul><p><strong>1953 &#20316;&#23478;&#20986;&#29256;&#31038; Zuojia Chubanshe</strong></p><ul><li><p>First standardized popular edition in the PRC</p></li></ul><p><strong>1957 &#20154;&#27665;&#25991;&#23398;&#20986;&#29256;&#31038; Renmin Wenxue Chubanshe</strong></p><ul><li><p>Base text with the Cheng Yi veresion</p></li><li><p>Includes a preface by that reflects the orthodox Marxist interpretation</p></li><li><p>This was the standard text for two decades, though there was a period between 1966 and 1971 or so when <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em> was not allowed to be sold in stores.</p></li><li><p>Includes explanatory footnotes for difficult to understand characters</p></li></ul><p><strong>1982 &#20154;&#27665;&#25991;&#23398;&#20986;&#29256;&#31038; Renmin Wenxue Chubanshe</strong></p><ul><li><p>The first 80 chapters here are based on the Gengchen manuscript primarily</p></li><li><p>This is where they started combining chapters 17 and 18</p></li><li><p>This instantly became the standard version in China</p></li><li><p>This is basically the most important version of the novel since the Yadong Editions, and marked a major scholarly shift towards the manuscripts.</p></li></ul><p><strong>1983 &#32005;&#27155;&#22818;&#26657;&#27880; Taipei version</strong></p><ul><li><p>Also uses the Gengchen manuscript for the first 80 chapters, but with parts of the Leningrad manuscript</p></li><li><p>This is the scholarly version in Taiwan</p></li><li><p>Note, however, that it&#8217;s much easier to find versions of the 1792 text in Taiwan through publishers like &#19977;&#27665;&#26360;&#23616;.</p></li></ul><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/dream-of-the-red-chamber-edition/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/dream-of-the-red-chamber-edition/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[When The Text Is As Interesting As The Book]]></title><description><![CDATA[A beginner&#8217;s guide to the textual history of Dream of the Red Chamber]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/when-the-text-is-as-interesting-as</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/when-the-text-is-as-interesting-as</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2026 02:03:41 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/youtube/w_728,c_limit/zC_dyeDot8I" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>When The Text Is As Interesting As The Book</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><div id="youtube2-zC_dyeDot8I" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;zC_dyeDot8I&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/zC_dyeDot8I?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>It&#8217;s a little bit late in coming, but I finally finished up a quick overview of the history of the text of <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>:</p><p>This is what we&#8217;d normally call &#8220;higher criticism,&#8221; which refers to criticism that focuses on the text itself.  &#8220;Lower criticism&#8221; is more like what you read on this blog every day - that involves reading the commonly accepted text and arguing incessantly about what it means.</p><p>Of course, the problem with <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em> is that analysis of the text itself brings with it a lot of assumptions and complications, including some things that can be really difficult to understand.</p><p>The other problem is that it&#8217;s really not easy to find copies of all these various manuscript variants and the various versions that have been published over the years.</p><p>I have my ways, however, and have slowly been piecing together a pretty comprehensive collection of all of this stuff.</p><p>Soon - in fact, hopefully by the end of this week - I&#8217;ll have a major update to <a href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/files">the files area of this site</a> with a bunch of helpful files.  These will include:</p><p>Published translations in multiple languages (basically as much as I can find)</p><p>All Chinese editions of the book I&#8217;ve been able to come across, including manuscripts and printed copies</p><p>Numerous commentary books and articles that have come up over the years</p><p>And more!</p><p>Of course, collecting all the books is one thing.  Actually reading them is another.  But we&#8217;ve got time on our hands.  Stay tuned as I slowly start working through the world of commentaries.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/when-the-text-is-as-interesting-as/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/when-the-text-is-as-interesting-as/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Late Spring?]]></title><description><![CDATA[A quick dive into &#19977;&#26149;]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/late-spring</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/late-spring</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2026 10:42:14 GMT</pubDate><enclosure 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On&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-09-09T09:58:39.177Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:null,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-dream-goes-on&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:214860915,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:1,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>The question revolves around these two lines:</p><blockquote><p>&#36575;&#35183;&#19977;&#26149;&#33609;&#65292;&#26580;&#25302;&#19968;&#32311;&#39321;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>They softly contrast with the late spring grass,</p><p>Gently leaving a single sweet scent.</p></blockquote><p>In particular - should we call &#19977;&#26149; &#8220;late spring,&#8221; or something else?</p><p>First of all, you need to realize that the phrase &#19977;&#26149; always has a deeper meaning in <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>.  The character &#26149; here refers to the names of the four Jia family &#8220;sisters:&#8221; Jia Yuanchun, Jia Yingchun, Jia Tanchun, and Jia Xichun.</p><p>We were actually introduced to this way back in chapter 2, though it&#8217;s easy to forget:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;2c46c915-16a5-44bd-8596-17acd049b484&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;After a reader suggestion, I&#8217;ve decided to change the order of each section. This means that most future paid posts will be almost entirely behind the paywall. My hope is that this will make it easier for readers who do not read Chinese to follow.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The Spring Cycle&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-05-13T10:01:36.756Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pVsM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd33185ca-25fa-4faf-8e5e-c330360620bb_1295x1279.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-spring-cycle&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:162359099,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:8,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><blockquote><p>&#38632;&#26449;&#36947;&#65306;&#12300;&#26356;&#22937;&#22312;&#29956;&#23478;&#39080;&#20439;&#65306;&#22899;&#20818;&#20043;&#21517;&#20134;&#30342;&#24478;&#30007;&#23376;&#20043;&#21517;&#65292;&#19981;&#20284;&#21029;&#20154;&#23478;&#21478;&#22806;&#29992;&#36889;&#20123;&#12302;&#26149;&#12303;&#12302;&#32005;&#12303;&#12302;&#39321;&#12303;&#12302;&#29577;&#12303;&#31561;&#35924;&#23383;&#12290;&#20309;&#24471;&#36040;&#24220;&#20134;&#33853;&#27492;&#20439;&#22871;&#65311;&#12301;&#23376;&#33288;&#36947;&#65306;&#12300;&#19981;&#28982;&#12290;&#21482;&#22240;&#29694;&#20170;&#22823;&#23567;&#22992;&#26159;&#27491;&#26376;&#21021;&#19968;&#25152;&#29983;&#65292;&#25925;&#21517;&#20803;&#26149;&#65292;&#39192;&#32773;&#37117;&#24478;&#20102;&#12302;&#26149;&#12303;&#23383;&#12290;&#19978;&#19968;&#36649;&#30340;&#21371;&#20063;&#26159;&#24478;&#24351;&#20804;&#32780;&#20358;&#30340;&#12290;&#29694;&#26377;&#23565;&#35657;&#65306;&#30446;&#20170;&#20320;&#36020;&#26481;&#23478;&#26519;&#20844;&#30340;&#22827;&#20154;&#21363;&#27054;&#24220;&#20013;&#36198;&#25919;&#20108;&#20844;&#30340;&#32990;&#22969;&#65292;&#22312;&#23478;&#26178;&#21517;&#21914;&#36040;&#25935;&#12290;&#19981;&#20449;&#26178;&#65292;&#20320;&#22238;&#21435;&#32048;&#35370;&#21487;&#30693;&#12290;&#12301;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>&#8220;What&#8217;s even more remarkable,&#8221; remarked Yucun, &#8220;is the naming custom in the Zhen family. Their daughter&#8217;s names follow the same pattern as their son&#8217;s names. They&#8217;re not like the other households, which insist on gaudy names like &#8216;spring,&#8217; &#8216;red,&#8217; &#8216;fragrant,&#8217; or &#8216;jade.&#8217; How could the Jia family stoop to such vulgar customs?&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;It&#8217;s not like that,&#8221; replied Zixing. &#8220;It&#8217;s only because their oldest daughter was born on the first day of the New Year. That&#8217;s why they called her &#8216;Primordial Spring,&#8217; or &#8216;Yuanchun.&#8217; The others just followed with the same &#8216;Spring&#8217; character [Chun]. The daughters of the previous Jia generation, however, did follow the naming pattern of their brothers. Here&#8217;s the proof: the wife of your employer, Master Lin, is the full younger sister of the Rong mansion&#8217;s Jia She and Jia Zheng. She was named Jia Min. If you don&#8217;t believe me, ask them yourself when you go back.&#8221;</p></blockquote><p>In general, the phrase &#19977;&#26149; refers to the three remaining Jia family sisters, now that Jia Yuanchun is part of the Imperial harem.</p><p>Now, there are actually two different ways to think about &#19977;&#26149;.  One is &#8220;the three springs,&#8221; or the three girls with &#8220;Chun&#8221; in their name, as I described above.  And the other way is to think about the three different time periods within spring.</p><p>These time periods are pretty easy to understand.  You&#8217;ve got &#21021;&#26149;, or the first part of spring; &#20210;&#26149;, or the middle part of spring, and &#26286;&#26149;, or the late part of spring.</p><p>Now, you can assign numbers to each of those.  If you were to use numbers to differentiate the different time periods within spring, then &#19977;&#26149; would naturally be the same as &#26286;&#26149;, or &#8220;late spring.&#8221;  That&#8217;s how I translated &#19977;&#26149; in yesterday&#8217;s poem.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Me A Coffee&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen"><span>Buy Me A Coffee</span></a></p><p>I&#8217;ve used the same translation approach when we came across &#19977;&#26149; in the past, too.  See this post, for instance:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;1c7ae076-03d0-4ad6-842a-2a2624ac2e6a&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;The Blooming Pomegranates Light The Palace Walls&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The Blooming Pomegranates Light The Palace Walls&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-07-14T10:02:18.338Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ZYh9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff2fb48d5-a02b-413f-93ef-b5d8cd82af7c_525x1519.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-blooming-pomegranates-light-the&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:167599847,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:3,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><blockquote><p>&#19977;&#26149;&#29229;&#21450;&#21021;&#26149;&#26223;&#65311;&#34382;&#20820;&#30456;&#36898;&#22823;&#22818;&#27512;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Can the late spring rival the first dawn of spring?</p><p>When the tiger meets the rabbit, the great dream is done.</p></blockquote><p>In this poem, the assocation between &#19977;&#26149; (the third spring, late spring, or whatever) and &#26286;&#26149; (late spring) is obvious.  It&#8217;s written in direct contrast to &#21021;&#26149;.  And there&#8217;s a really good chance that this poem refers to one of the three Jia sisters.</p><p>However, there are also times where &#19977;&#26149; really can&#8217;t be translated as &#8220;late spring.&#8221;  Take this, for example:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;d0c06e72-1a4c-4618-8ce0-514ff5755c15&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;The Enlightenment of the Illusory Flowers&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The Enlightenment of the Illusory Flowers&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-08-25T10:03:04.688Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ndLo!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff410deee-c11a-49a1-97bd-495b1cbf8e90_408x1410.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/the-enlightenment-of-the-illusory&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:171766355,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:2,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><blockquote><p>&#23559;&#37027;&#19977;&#26149;&#30475;&#30772;&#65292;&#26691;&#32005;&#26611;&#32160;&#24453;&#22914;&#20309;&#65311;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>As she sees through the splendor of the three springs,</p><p>She wonders what use the reds and greens of spring are.</p></blockquote><p>In this case, &#19977;&#26149; absolutely needs to refer to <em>all three</em> of the periods of spring, rather than only the last one.  Note as well the reference to the colors green and red, which is something that we&#8217;ve seen come up pretty frequently in chapters 17 and 18.</p><p>There&#8217;s also a poem where &#19977;&#26149; is almost impossible to translate to English:</p><p></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;9f83f531-ad55-4a08-9954-20502fc3a3b1&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;From Splendor To Black Clothing&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;lg&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;From Splendor To Black Clothing&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:112838140,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Daniel Evensen&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Diplomat &#8226; Sinologist &#8226; Writer&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8a75118f-5fe3-49ca-a825-f65280f2c7ec_3527x3527.jpeg&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-07-24T10:00:41.321Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!83YB!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fde79a340-9ba5-48df-916c-876b451c5ba7_304x1445.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/from-splendor-to-black-clothing&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:&quot;Translation&quot;,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:168490515,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:2,&quot;comment_count&quot;:0,&quot;publication_id&quot;:4522834,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><blockquote><p>&#21208;&#30772;&#19977;&#26149;&#26223;&#19981;&#38263;&#65292;&#32199;&#34915;&#38931;&#25913;&#26132;&#24180;&#22941;&#12290;</p><p>&#21487;&#24976;&#32353;&#25142;&#20399;&#38272;&#22899;&#65292;&#29544;&#33253;&#38738;&#29128;&#21476;&#20315;&#26049;&#65281;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Clearly seeing that the spring won&#8217;t last forever,</p><p>She suddenly changed into dark robes.</p><p>What a shame that this daughter of wealth</p><p>Now sleeps alone by the dim lamp of an ancient Buddha!</p></blockquote><p>I&#8217;m really not sure what to do with &#19977;&#26149; here, unless we translate it as &#8220;late spring&#8221; again.  This one is a head scratcher.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;PayPal Donation&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C"><span>PayPal Donation</span></a></p><p>Anyway, in the poem we saw yesterday, &#19977;&#26149; is mentioned in connection with an actual place.  While it very likely refers to the three Jia sisters, the context of the visual image makes the most sense if we simply call it &#8220;late spring,&#8221; and not something like &#8220;the three springs:&#8221;</p><blockquote><p>&#34309;&#34154;&#28415;&#38748;&#33489;&#65292;&#34367;&#34204;&#21161;&#33452;&#33459;&#12290;</p><p>&#36575;&#35183;&#19977;&#26149;&#33609;&#65292;&#26580;&#25302;&#19968;&#32311;&#39321;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Wild ginger fills the quiet courtyard,</p><p>The climbing vines add their fragrance.</p><p>They softly contrast with the late spring grass,</p><p>Gently leaving a single sweet scent.</p></blockquote><p>Of course, if you think about what this poem <em>represents</em>, it&#8217;s pretty clear that it refers to a girl whose appearance and beauty sets herself apart from the three Chun sisters.</p><p>I&#8217;ll also note in my own defense that both David Hawkes and the Yangs struggle with this passage.  Hawkes translates it as &#8220;summer&#8221; for some bizarre reason:</p><blockquote><p>Fragrance of flower-drifts in these quiet confines</p><p>Mingles with headier scents of eglantines,</p><p>And summer&#8217;s herbs in a soft, spicy bed</p><p>Their aromatic perfumes subtly spread.</p></blockquote><p>The Yangs at least call it &#8220;spring,&#8221; but they seem to get the picture completely wrong:</p><blockquote><p>Alpinia fills the courtyard free from dust,</p><p>By climbing fig its fragrance reinforced;</p><p>Softly they heighten the fresh green of spring,</p><p>Gently they trail their perfume, ring on ring.</p></blockquote><p>Anyway, I&#8217;d love to know what you think about all of this!</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/late-spring/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/late-spring/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[What’s Going On?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Trying to figure out a difficult poem]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/whats-going-on-406</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/whats-going-on-406</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2026 10:03:18 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_TxV!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7b5cbeb-d6a5-4fd1-953a-3c0eb7490560_552x552.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>What&#8217;s Going On?</h1><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>Okay - it&#8217;s time to start digging.</p><p>Yesterday&#8217;s poem is confusing.  If you have no idea what in the world is going on, don&#8217;t feel bad.  Join the club.</p><p>Let&#8217;s back up a little bit and see if we can figure this out together.</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Propriety and Emotion]]></title><description><![CDATA[Comparing Xue Baochai&#8217;s poem with Lin Daiyu&#8217;s poem]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/propriety-and-emotion</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/propriety-and-emotion</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2026 10:03:21 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z0E0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9aba38ed-0d43-4174-92e2-50c549339f85_1798x1298.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Propriety and Emotion</h1><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z0E0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9aba38ed-0d43-4174-92e2-50c549339f85_1798x1298.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z0E0!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9aba38ed-0d43-4174-92e2-50c549339f85_1798x1298.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z0E0!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9aba38ed-0d43-4174-92e2-50c549339f85_1798x1298.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z0E0!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9aba38ed-0d43-4174-92e2-50c549339f85_1798x1298.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z0E0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9aba38ed-0d43-4174-92e2-50c549339f85_1798x1298.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z0E0!,w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9aba38ed-0d43-4174-92e2-50c549339f85_1798x1298.png" width="1200" height="866.2087912087912" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9aba38ed-0d43-4174-92e2-50c549339f85_1798x1298.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:false,&quot;imageSize&quot;:&quot;large&quot;,&quot;height&quot;:1051,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:1200,&quot;bytes&quot;:2578014,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Dream of the Red Chamber &#32005;&#27155;&#22818; 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However, the poems by Xue Baochai and Lin Daiyu are quite significant when it comes to understanding &#32005;&#27155;&#22818;, or Dream of the Red Chamber.  As a result, I&#8217;ve decided to make this post free for all readers.  If you enjoy this, please consider a paid subscription to this publication.  There&#8217;s a lot more like this to come.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p>There&#8217;s a major difference between actually reading a book and just reading <em>about</em> the book.</p><p>I&#8217;ve spent quite a bit of time in my life reading articles about <em>Dream of the Red Chamber</em>.  And one of the things that pops up over and over again is what a genius Cao Xueqin was, especially when it comes to his poetry.  In particular, critics and readers tend to praise Cao Xueqin for giving each character their own unique poetic voice.</p><p>Of course, this is one of the hardest things to translate.  Poetry can never be translated in a one-to-one sense from one language to the other; it simply doesn&#8217;t work that way.  And so there&#8217;s naturally no way you can simply read two poems translated from Chinese to English and see the original author&#8217;s brilliance right away.</p><p>The best thing we can do is dive into the language and closely analyze things.  And so let&#8217;s do it.  Let&#8217;s compare Xue Baochai&#8217;s poem with Lin Daiyu&#8217;s poem.</p><p>We can start off with the most obvious similarities.  Both poems, like the poems by the other girls start off with similar general descriptions of the garden.</p><p>Here&#8217;s Xue Baochai&#8217;s first two lines:</p><blockquote><p>&#33459;&#22290;&#31689;&#21521;&#24093;&#22478;&#35199;&#65292;&#33775;&#26085;&#31077;&#38642;&#31840;&#32617;&#22855;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>The fragrant garden was built west of the Imperial City;</p><p>The bright sun and auspicious clouds envelop it magically.</p></blockquote><p>And here&#8217;s what Lin Daiyu wrote:</p><blockquote><p>&#23480;&#36938;&#22686;&#24709;&#35947;&#65292;&#20185;&#22659;&#21029;&#32005;&#22645;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>The Imperial visit brings us joy,</p><p>This fairyland is cut off from the mortal world.</p></blockquote><p>The basic idea in both poems is the same.  There are direct references to the imperial visit in both, as well as a sense of some sort of supernatural blessing on the garden itself.</p><p>But that&#8217;s where you see the difference in the characters of Xue Baochai and Lin Daiyu.  Xue Baochai defines the garden in terms of its relationship to the seat of power.  For her, it &#8220;&#21521;&#24093;&#22478;&#35199;,&#8221; or &#8220;it lies to the west of the Imperial City.&#8221;  Xue Baochai uses the seat of political power as a reference.</p><p>Lin Daiyu, on the other hand, sees the garden as completely separate from the mortal world.  &#32005;&#22645; means &#8220;red dust,&#8221; and is a phrase we&#8217;ve seen pop up from time to time.  Lin Daiyu talks about the garden as being a mystical realm (&#20185;&#22659;) completely separated (&#21029;) from the mortal world, or from the &#8220;red dust&#8221; (&#32005;&#22645;).</p><p>The reason for this difference is quite simple.  Xue Baochai represents the more practical side of life.  She&#8217;s the ultimate Confucian girl, concerned with society and focused on making sure that things happen in proper order.  Lin Daiyu, on the other hand, wants to exit the society completely and search for a better world apart from the drudgery of mortality.</p><p>When we look at the next two lines, we see a similar contrast.  Here&#8217;s what Xue Baochai writes:</p><blockquote><p>&#39640;&#26611;&#21916;&#36983;&#40367;&#20986;&#35895;&#65292;&#20462;&#31681;&#26178;&#24453;&#40179;&#20358;&#20736;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>The tall willows rejoice as the orioles leave the valley;</p><p>Tall bamboo trees constantly await the ceremonial arrival of the phoenix.</p></blockquote><p>And here&#8217;s what Lin Daiyu created:</p><blockquote><p>&#20511;&#24471;&#23665;&#24029;&#31168;&#65292;&#28155;&#20358;&#27683;&#35937;&#26032;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Borrowing the beauty of the hills and streams,</p><p>This place takes on a brand new air.</p></blockquote><p>Of course, this is where the world of English translation completely lets us down.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Me A Coffee&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://buymeacoffee.com/danielevensen"><span>Buy Me A Coffee</span></a></p><p>Xue Baochai is making two weighty literary allusions here.</p><p>The first one is the talk about &#8220;orioles leaving the valley,&#8221; or &#40367;&#20986;&#35895;.  This is a direct quotation from <em>The Classic of Poetry</em>, or the &#35433;&#32147;.  The original passage is &#8220;&#20986;&#33258;&#24189;&#35895;&#65292;&#36983;&#20110;&#21932;&#26408;,&#8221; or &#8220;It comes out from the dark valley and moves to a tall tree.&#8221;</p><p>This passage is an image of a worthy person rising from obscurity into public prominence.  Xue Baochai is comparing Jia Yuanchun leaving the palace to visit with the oriole leaving the valley, and brilliantly alludes to the fact that Jia Yuanchun emerged from relative obscurity to her current imperial position.  It&#8217;s actually a fantastic literary allusion when you think about it.</p><p>The same goes for &#40179;&#20358;&#20736;, or &#8220;the ceremonial arrival of the phoenix.&#8221;  This is an allusion to the &#23578;&#26360;, or the ancient <em>Book of Documents</em>.  It&#8217;s a symbol of the arrival of a virtuous sage ruler, one who is blessed by the cosmos for his moral virtues.</p><p>The rejoicing tall willows and the tall bamboo trees both point towards the splendor and majesty of the imperial visitor.  Or, in other words, nature itself respects Confucian virtue in Xue Baochai&#8217;s poetic tongue.  And, honestly, her two lines are absolutely brilliant.</p><p>Lin Daiyu&#8217;s two lines are much simpler.  The garden manages to borrow its beauty from its own landscape, and is refreshed by the imperial visitor.  There&#8217;s no amazing poetic allusion in Daiyu&#8217;s two lines; instead, she writes a simple natural description, focusing more on the feeling than on the social order.</p><p>The next two lines show the biggest contrast between the two poets.  Xue Baochai writes this:</p><blockquote><p>&#25991;&#39080;&#24050;&#33879;&#23480;&#36938;&#22805;&#65292;&#23389;&#21270;&#25033;&#38534;&#27512;&#30465;&#26178;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>The power of literature was clear on the night of the Imperial outing;</p><p>The transforming power of filial piety reached its peak with this homecoming visit.</p></blockquote><p>And here is what Lin Daiyu writes:</p><blockquote><p>&#39321;&#34701;&#37329;&#35895;&#37202;&#65292;&#33457;&#23194;&#29577;&#22530;&#20154;&#12290;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Its fragrance is blended with the wine of Golden Valley,</p><p>The flowers smile up at our noble guests.</p></blockquote><p>Xue Baochai makes direct references to two clearly Confucian concepts: the power of literature (&#25991;&#39080;) and the &#8220;transforming power of filial piety&#8221; (&#23389;&#21270;).  And she describes how the Imperial Consort&#8217;s brings about the height of both powers.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;PayPal Donation&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=QJ8TLTSQDH75C"><span>PayPal Donation</span></a></p><p>Lin Daiyu, on the other hand, makes a reference to &#35895;&#37202;, or the literary drinking parties of Shi Chong during the Jin dynasty.  It&#8217;s an intelligent literary allusion, and is combined with the unforgettable sight of the flowers smiling up (&#23194;) at the imperial visitors.</p><p>I don&#8217;t think there could be any clearer way to distinguish between the mentalities of the two girls.  Xue Baochai is focused on decorum and the proper world of Confucianism in these two lines, while Lin Daiyu is focused on personifying nature and making something magical happen.</p><p>And then come the final two lines, and both poems have absolutely brilliant final two lines.  Here&#8217;s Xue Baochai&#8217;s:</p><blockquote><p>&#30591;&#34299;&#20185;&#25165;&#30651;&#20208;&#34389;&#65292;&#33258;&#24922;&#20309;&#25954;&#20877;&#28858;&#36781;&#65311;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>As I gaze up at your immortal literary talent,</p><p>I feel so ashamed; what more could I write?</p></blockquote><p>And this is what Lin Daiyu writes:</p><blockquote><p>&#20309;&#24184;&#36992;&#24681;&#23541;&#65292;&#23470;&#36554;&#36942;&#24448;&#38971;&#65311;</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>How fortunate we are to receive this Imperial grace!</p><p>Might the palace carriage return here frequently?</p></blockquote><p>Xue Baochai&#8217;s final two lines represent her excellent cultural competence.  They are filled with proper praise for the imperial visitor.  &#30591;&#34299; means something like &#8220;brilliant imperial writings&#8221; and praises Jia Yuanchun&#8217;s literary excellence; &#20185;&#25165; means &#8220;immortal talent&#8221; and is another word of praise, and Xue Baochai ends up explaining that she is ashamed and could never write further.</p><p>Of course, this is a proper and required gesture of self-effacement, something that is natural for this kind of poem.  If you look back, you&#8217;ll realize that the other girls also ended their poems on a similar note, though not with quite the same level of literary brilliance.</p><p>And this, of course, is where Lin Daiyu&#8217;s poem really stands out.</p><p>&#20309;&#24184;&#36992;&#24681;&#23541; means something like &#8220;How fortunate I am to be favored with such grace.&#8221;  This isn&#8217;t formal language, though.  Rather, it feels personal and emotional, as if Lin Daiyu were really writing her heart out on the page.</p><p>And the fascinating part about Daiyu&#8217;s poem is that &#23470;&#36554;&#36942;&#24448;&#38971; line at the end, which is a sincere wish that Jia Yuanchun could come around more frequently.</p><p>Lin Daiyu&#8217;s final lines are not about giving formal and formulatic praise to the imperial visit.  Rather, they read more like a poem written between friends.  Daiyu exposes a bit of the emotional reality behind her character with those two final lines.</p><p>You can think of it like this.  Lin Daiyu&#8217;s poem is a direct reflection of who she is, and is almost completely free of convention and self-effacement.  Xue Baochai&#8217;s poem is filled with ritual and hierarchy, but is curiously lacking in emotion.</p><p>That&#8217;s not to say that one poem is better than the other.  Both are absolutely brilliant, and it&#8217;s very rewarding to dive in and see what you can find.  They simply represent opposite ends of poetic theory.  One is formal and carefully calculated, the other is fully emotional and utterly vulnerable.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.redchamber.blog/p/propriety-and-emotion/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.redchamber.blog/p/propriety-and-emotion/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Civilizing Literature and Filial Piety]]></title><description><![CDATA[Xue Baochai]]></description><link>https://www.redchamber.blog/p/civilizing-literature-and-filial</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.redchamber.blog/p/civilizing-literature-and-filial</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Evensen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2026 10:02:01 GMT</pubDate><enclosure 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